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Offline sadie

Was the PJ right to decide that Madeleine had died so early on?
« on: October 10, 2018, 01:03:55 PM »
The fact that Amaral made up his mind that Madeleine was dead and that they were anly searching for a dead Madeleine, almost from day 1 is disgraceful. 8()(((@#

Also the way that he decided, without any evidence, to Stick it all on The Mccanns  ?8)@)-)



There were many more things, but the two above were so destructive to ever finding Madeleine.   Seems he didn't care.

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Offline G-Unit

Re: Was the PJ right to decide that Madeleine had died so early on?
« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2018, 01:22:03 PM »
The fact that Amaral made up his mind that Madeleine was dead and that they were anly searching for a dead Madeleine, almost from day 1 is disgraceful. 8()(((@#

Also the way that he decided, without any evidence, to Stick it all on The Mccanns  ?8)@)-)



There were many more things, but thepublic two above were so destructive to ever finding Madeleine.   Seems he didn't care.

It seems to have escaped your notice that Amaral wasn't 'in charge' of the first investigation, Neves and  Encarnacao were above him, with the Public Prosecutor supervising all of them. Perhaps it suits your agenda to suggest he was in charge and directing how the investigation proceeded, but it's a myth.
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Offline Sunny

Re: Was the PJ right to decide that Madeleine had died so early on?
« Reply #2 on: October 10, 2018, 01:23:32 PM »
It seems to have escaped your notice that Amaral wasn't 'in charge' of the first investigation, Neves and  Encarnacao were above him, with the Public Prosecutor supervising all of them. Perhaps it suits your agenda to suggest he was in charge and directing how the investigation proceeded, but it's a myth.

Goncalo Amaral left the investigation in early October 2007 and it continued on for around 10 months yet supporters only consider him as being within the PJ.  "it is all Amaral's" fault is their cry.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Was the PJ right to decide that Madeleine had died so early on?
« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2018, 01:37:57 PM »
It seems to have escaped your notice that Amaral wasn't 'in charge' of the first investigation, Neves and  Encarnacao were above him, with the Public Prosecutor supervising all of them. Perhaps it suits your agenda to suggest he was in charge and directing how the investigation proceeded, but it's a myth.
Was Amaral only following orders then?

Online Eleanor

Re: Was the PJ right to decide that Madeleine had died so early on?
« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2018, 01:47:34 PM »
Was Amaral only following orders then?

Amaral was the Lead Detective.  And it appears to have taken Rebelo quite some time to clear up the mess after Amaral was taken off the case.  So Amaral can't have been paying much attention to orders.  Or order either.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Was the PJ right to decide that Madeleine had died so early on?
« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2018, 01:57:09 PM »
Was Amaral only following orders then?

Because there were people above him, you mean?.
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Online ShiningInLuz

Re: Was the PJ right to decide that Madeleine had died so early on?
« Reply #6 on: October 10, 2018, 02:03:50 PM »
The fact that Amaral made up his mind that Madeleine was dead and that they were anly searching for a dead Madeleine, almost from day 1 is disgraceful. 8()(((@#

Also the way that he decided, without any evidence, to Stick it all on The Mccanns  ?8)@)-)



There were many more things, but the two above were so destructive to ever finding Madeleine.   Seems he didn't care.
Given the number of diligences on file that came after day 1 and involved a live Madeleine, your post is nonsense.

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Online Davel

Re: Was the PJ right to decide that Madeleine had died so early on?
« Reply #7 on: October 10, 2018, 02:16:02 PM »
There is much in the public domain that justifies criticism of the PJ
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Offline sadie

Re: Was the PJ right to decide that Madeleine had died so early on?
« Reply #8 on: October 10, 2018, 03:07:47 PM »
I dont believe that Madeleine was a normal subject for trafficking.   I believe that she and possibly Joana were selected because of their elite historical bloodlines.  As such it is likely that neither of them will have been sexually abused.


All in my honest opinion based upon deep research.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Was the PJ right to decide that Madeleine had died so early on?
« Reply #9 on: October 10, 2018, 03:47:40 PM »
So if there are no signs whatsoever of activity from the PJ at all then we are not allowed to criticise and must instead assume they are beavering away dilligently behind the scenes, almost certainly n the verge of cracking the case?  Righty-ho then.  ^*&&
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Offline Sunny

Re: Was the PJ right to decide that Madeleine had died so early on?
« Reply #10 on: October 10, 2018, 03:53:14 PM »
So if there are no signs whatsoever of activity from the PJ at all then we are not allowed to criticise and must instead assume they are beavering away dilligently behind the scenes, almost certainly n the verge of cracking the case?  Righty-ho then.  ^*&&

We don't see £millions being spent by the PJ and they are assisting Scotland Yard when they want to search Praia Da Luz and interview their chosen suspects.   They may well be doing other things but it is the Portuguese way to remain silent.  They may not have done so back in 2007 and stories were leaked but this time they are not. Of course in 2007 team McCann were also leaking stories IMO
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Offline xtina

Re: Was the PJ right to decide that Madeleine had died so early on?
« Reply #11 on: October 10, 2018, 03:54:50 PM »
I dont believe that Madeleine was a normal subject for trafficking.   I believe that she and possibly Joana were selected because of their elite historical bloodlines.  As such it is likely that neither of them will have been sexually abused.


All in my honest opinion based upon deep research.


No sadie........i am not mean at all .....its just I do not believe maddie was abducted.....
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Was the PJ right to decide that Madeleine had died so early on?
« Reply #12 on: October 10, 2018, 04:08:13 PM »
We don't see £millions being spent by the PJ and they are assisting Scotland Yard when they want to search Praia Da Luz and interview their chosen suspects.   They may well be doing other things but it is the Portuguese way to remain silent.  They may not have done so back in 2007 and stories were leaked but this time they are not. Of course in 2007 team McCann were also leaking stories IMO
We have no idea how much the PJ have spent on a second investigation do we?  All that manpower and hard work they've put into it, it might well be double what Operation Grange have spent for all we know!  @)(++(*

Offline Sunny

Re: Was the PJ right to decide that Madeleine had died so early on?
« Reply #13 on: October 10, 2018, 04:11:47 PM »
We have no idea how much the PJ have spent on a second investigation do we?  All that manpower and hard work they've put into it, it might well be double what Operation Grange have spent for all we know!  @)(++(*

Davel thinks nothing is going on except an attempt to obstruct Scotland Yard.   

We don't hear any praise being given to the PJ by the McCanns. 

We don't hear the PJ begging bowl being rattled every 6 months for more funding from the Portuguese government.

The PJ investigation may have cost double that of Scotland Yard but I doubt it as they have had no need for translation costs and flights and hotels over to have a jolly holiday at the crime scene. 
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Was the PJ right to decide that Madeleine had died so early on?
« Reply #14 on: October 10, 2018, 04:15:14 PM »
Davel thinks nothing is going on except an attempt to obstruct Scotland Yard.   

We don't hear any praise being given to the PJ by the McCanns. 

We don't hear the PJ begging bowl being rattled every 6 months for more funding from the Portuguese government.

The PJ investigation may have cost double that of Scotland Yard but I doubt it as they have had no need for translation costs and flights and hotels over to have a jolly holiday at the crime scene.
So do you think there's a bottomless pit in Portugal as far as funding this case goes- how many years in total have PJ been investigating?  It must amount to a pretty penny, yet funnily enough I also don't hear much criticism ffrom the Portuguese about the amount being spent on one foreign missing child.  Could it possibly be that it's because they're actually not spending very much time or money trying to crack this case at all?