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Offline Davel

Re: Was the PJ right to decide that Madeleine had died so early on?
« Reply #315 on: October 17, 2018, 12:07:52 PM »
Until you start investigating you have to go with raw statistics to help direct the areas most likely to be of benefit.

Yes thats what you do at the start... But we aren't at the start now ..
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Offline slartibartfast

Re: Was the PJ right to decide that Madeleine had died so early on?
« Reply #316 on: October 17, 2018, 12:11:11 PM »
Sarah Jayne Harper ... Holly and Jessica ... James Bulger ... Sarah Payne ... Moira Anderson ... etc

There is a very long and tragic list of children abducted by strangers in which 'statistics' count for nothing ... every missing child case must be considered on the evidence.

Not sure if that is anecdotal or Texas sharpshooter fallacy.
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Offline slartibartfast

Re: Was the PJ right to decide that Madeleine had died so early on?
« Reply #317 on: October 17, 2018, 12:11:47 PM »
Yes thats what you do at the start... But we aren't at the start now ..

Yes, we now know there is no evidence of stranger abduction. IMO.
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Was the PJ right to decide that Madeleine had died so early on?
« Reply #318 on: October 17, 2018, 12:23:11 PM »
Until you start investigating you have to go with raw statistics to help direct the areas most likely to be of benefit.
No.  Until you start investigating you should keep a completely open mind about what happened, IMO.
"The answer is that no-one here believes the parents were directly involved in MM's disappearance" - G-Unit.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Was the PJ right to decide that Madeleine had died so early on?
« Reply #319 on: October 17, 2018, 12:24:24 PM »
Yes, we now know there is no evidence of stranger abduction. IMO.
Yes there is, unless you are also prepared to accept that there is no evidence of woke and wandered and parental involvement.
"The answer is that no-one here believes the parents were directly involved in MM's disappearance" - G-Unit.

Offline jassi

Re: Was the PJ right to decide that Madeleine had died so early on?
« Reply #320 on: October 17, 2018, 12:34:54 PM »
Yes there is, unless you are also prepared to accept that there is no evidence of woke and wandered and parental involvement.

Quite right, there is no real evidence of anything, so it's all down to probabilities.
It is my opinion that the parents are probably responsible for her disappearance.
There are other opinions.  ?{)(**
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -   Into year 13 and still no solution.

Offline Lace

Re: Was the PJ right to decide that Madeleine had died so early on?
« Reply #321 on: October 17, 2018, 12:38:52 PM »
Quite right, there is no real evidence of anything, so it's all down to probabilities.
It is my opinion that the parents are probably responsible for her disappearance.
There are other opinions.  ?{)(**

The problem with your opinion is that no one can actually give a theory of how the McCann's managed to cover up Madeleine's disappearance and still go for dinner,  behaving normally.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Was the PJ right to decide that Madeleine had died so early on?
« Reply #322 on: October 17, 2018, 12:40:55 PM »
Quite right, there is no real evidence of anything, so it's all down to probabilities.
It is my opinion that the parents are probably responsible for her disappearance.
There are other opinions.  ?{)(**
Yet you would be unable to put forward a coherent and plausible narrative of how they did it which therefore IMO increases the probability that your opinion is less valid than mine.
"The answer is that no-one here believes the parents were directly involved in MM's disappearance" - G-Unit.

Offline Davel

Re: Was the PJ right to decide that Madeleine had died so early on?
« Reply #323 on: October 17, 2018, 12:51:41 PM »
Yes, we now know there is no evidence of stranger abduction. IMO.

You have quoted statistics so what iyo is, the probability  of parental involvement
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Offline slartibartfast

Re: Was the PJ right to decide that Madeleine had died so early on?
« Reply #324 on: October 17, 2018, 01:06:00 PM »
Yet you would be unable to put forward a coherent and plausible narrative of how they did it which therefore IMO increases the probability that your opinion is less valid than mine.

It’s quite easy, just not something you can do where your opinions may be used against you.
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Was the PJ right to decide that Madeleine had died so early on?
« Reply #325 on: October 17, 2018, 01:14:38 PM »
It’s quite easy, just not something you can do where your opinions may be used against you.
That is quite untrue IMO, and is simply used a convenient excuse by sceptics on this forum.   I have yet to see a single plausible or coherent theory anywhere else online or in print, in places where sceptics appear to be less concerned about writing libellous content. 
"The answer is that no-one here believes the parents were directly involved in MM's disappearance" - G-Unit.

Offline Brietta

Re: Was the PJ right to decide that Madeleine had died so early on?
« Reply #326 on: October 17, 2018, 01:22:17 PM »
Not sure if that is anecdotal or Texas sharpshooter fallacy.
https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/crime/killer-of-leeds-schoolgirl-sarah-harper-is-unmasked-in-new-murder-trial-1-3851327
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soham_murders
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_James_Bulger
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Sarah_Payne
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/16031487.credible-witness-emerges-in-moira-anderson-mystery/

The content of your post is a mystery to me but it seems you are unaware of some of the most high profile British missing children who were subsequently found to have been abducted by strangers.

The only stranger abduction that does indeed have a Texas connection is that of Isabel Celis which is where the little girl or her body was taken across State lines and found in Texas. https://edition.cnn.com/2017/03/31/us/arizona-isabel-celis-remains-found/index.html   
That is is the only one I can think of at the moment.

But no doubt you know what your post is all about ... as I've already said ... you most certainly have not made it clear as far as I am concerned.
The remit of Operation Grange is to investigate ...  "(as if the abduction occurred in the UK)"

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Was the PJ right to decide that Madeleine had died so early on?
« Reply #327 on: October 17, 2018, 01:51:34 PM »
https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/crime/killer-of-leeds-schoolgirl-sarah-harper-is-unmasked-in-new-murder-trial-1-3851327
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soham_murders
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_James_Bulger
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Sarah_Payne
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/16031487.credible-witness-emerges-in-moira-anderson-mystery/

The content of your post is a mystery to me but it seems you are unaware of some of the most high profile British missing children who were subsequently found to have been abducted by strangers.

The only stranger abduction that does indeed have a Texas connection is that of Isabel Celis which is where the little girl or her body was taken across State lines and found in Texas. https://edition.cnn.com/2017/03/31/us/arizona-isabel-celis-remains-found/index.html   
That is is the only one I can think of at the moment.

But no doubt you know what your post is all about ... as I've already said ... you most certainly have not made it clear as far as I am concerned.
Slarti has a list as long as your arm of fallacies, one for every post made by a supporter it seems, it’s just a forum technique designed to shut your opponent up. 
"The answer is that no-one here believes the parents were directly involved in MM's disappearance" - G-Unit.

Offline slartibartfast

Re: Was the PJ right to decide that Madeleine had died so early on?
« Reply #328 on: October 17, 2018, 01:53:16 PM »
https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/crime/killer-of-leeds-schoolgirl-sarah-harper-is-unmasked-in-new-murder-trial-1-3851327
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soham_murders
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_James_Bulger
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Sarah_Payne
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/16031487.credible-witness-emerges-in-moira-anderson-mystery/

The content of your post is a mystery to me but it seems you are unaware of some of the most high profile British missing children who were subsequently found to have been abducted by strangers.

The only stranger abduction that does indeed have a Texas connection is that of Isabel Celis which is where the little girl or her body was taken across State lines and found in Texas. https://edition.cnn.com/2017/03/31/us/arizona-isabel-celis-remains-found/index.html   
That is is the only one I can think of at the moment.

But no doubt you know what your post is all about ... as I've already said ... you most certainly have not made it clear as far as I am concerned.

I am aware you are using 6 instances belonging to the 0.015% of cases of missing children which were the result of stranger abduction.
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Offline slartibartfast

Re: Was the PJ right to decide that Madeleine had died so early on?
« Reply #329 on: October 17, 2018, 01:55:03 PM »
Slarti has a list as long as your arm of fallacies, one for every post made by a supporter it seems, it’s just a forum technique designed to shut your opponent up.

It is used to point out where posters are using fallacious arguments.
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.