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Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Was the PJ right to decide that Madeleine had died so early on?
« Reply #30 on: October 10, 2018, 09:34:08 PM »
you are still speculating...what evidence have SY or the PJ collected and who does it relate to....there is no sign the PJ have done anything

No Sign? were you expecting one? Did you miss the bit where they said they do not give running commentry and they have rules in places regarding talking about the case.

 IN FACT  SY were quite open about the fact that they depended on the good will of the PJ and made it known they would not talk about a live investigation.   So SY have nothing to declare!  since you are of the opinion that the PJ  have done nothing- because if you could cite  it would not be an opinion- on that same note SY have also done nothing.
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Offline Lace

Re: Was the PJ right to decide that Madeleine had died so early on?
« Reply #31 on: October 11, 2018, 09:47:26 AM »
It seems to have escaped your notice that Amaral wasn't 'in charge' of the first investigation, Neves and  Encarnacao were above him, with the Public Prosecutor supervising all of them. Perhaps it suits your agenda to suggest he was in charge and directing how the investigation proceeded, but it's a myth.

Amaral's book suggests he made all the decisions,   I didn't read in his book that he discussed his theory with Neves or Encarnacao.   Amaral wanted the readers to believe he was totally in charge.

Offline xtina

Re: Was the PJ right to decide that Madeleine had died so early on?
« Reply #32 on: October 11, 2018, 10:20:43 AM »
Amaral's book suggests he made all the decisions,   I didn't read in his book that he discussed his theory with Neves or Encarnacao.   Amaral wanted the readers to believe he was totally in charge.


IYO...that is


I believe he wanted to let the reader/public..... know what he believed happened .....
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Offline Lace

Re: Was the PJ right to decide that Madeleine had died so early on?
« Reply #33 on: October 11, 2018, 10:55:27 AM »

IYO...that is


I believe he wanted to let the reader/public..... know what he believed happened .....

Yes,  he wanted the reader/public to know what he beleived happened and that he was the one who formed the theory of what he believed happened.   Except that he didn't say it might have happened he said it did.

Offline Snowgirl

Re: Was the PJ right to decide that Madeleine had died so early on?
« Reply #34 on: October 11, 2018, 11:16:49 AM »
Amaral's book suggests he made all the decisions,   I didn't read in his book that he discussed his theory with Neves or Encarnacao.   Amaral wanted the readers to believe he was totally in charge.
What you mean is that you read it like that because of your preconceived opinion of him   imo .
Of course he didn’t make all the decisions which if you’d read the files you’d think differently perhaps,although it’s easy to see supporters are never going to believe anything other than what they’ve set in their minds to believe.

Yes,  he wanted the reader/public to know what he beleived happened and that he was the one who formed the theory of what he believed happened.   Except that he didn't say it might have happened he said it did.

He said it was  his conclusion   but I never thought it meant it did happen but you did ?
Anyone can come to a conclusion about anything but it doesn’t mean to say it’s correct .

Offline xtina

Re: Was the PJ right to decide that Madeleine had died so early on?
« Reply #35 on: October 11, 2018, 11:24:52 AM »
Yes,  he wanted the reader/public to know what he beleived happened and that he was the one who formed the theory of what he believed happened.   Except that he didn't say it might have happened he said it did.

 he was on the case....from the start...gathered evidence circumstantial ...or whatever....

all you know is what you think happened my ........

bit of a difference ...don't you think.....
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Was the PJ right to decide that Madeleine had died so early on?
« Reply #36 on: October 11, 2018, 11:37:02 AM »
Amaral's book suggests he made all the decisions,   I didn't read in his book that he discussed his theory with Neves or Encarnacao.   Amaral wanted the readers to believe he was totally in charge.

In Amaral's book (pdf) he mentions the arrival of the DCCB reinforcements, including Neves;

"From now on two deputy national directors, assisted by the Coordinator of the Portimao Department  of Criminal Investigation, will direct the investigations"

The chain of command seems quite clear to me.
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Offline Lace

Re: Was the PJ right to decide that Madeleine had died so early on?
« Reply #37 on: October 11, 2018, 12:02:51 PM »
What you mean is that you read it like that because of your preconceived opinion of him   imo .
Of course he didn’t make all the decisions which if you’d read the files you’d think differently perhaps,although it’s easy to see supporters are never going to believe anything other than what they’ve set in their minds to believe.
He said it was  his conclusion   but I never thought it meant it did happen but you did ?
Anyone can come to a conclusion about anything but it doesn’t mean to say it’s correct .


Explain what he says here -   The body, the existence of which has been confirmed by the EVRD and CSI dogs but also by the results of the preliminary laboratory analyses, cannot be found.


A body CONFIRMED.



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Re: Was the PJ right to decide that Madeleine had died so early on?
« Reply #38 on: October 11, 2018, 12:06:15 PM »

Explain what he says here -   The body, the existence of which has been confirmed by the EVRD and CSI dogs but also by the results of the preliminary laboratory analyses, cannot be found.


A body CONFIRMED.
So Amaral thought.
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Re: Was the PJ right to decide that Madeleine had died so early on?
« Reply #39 on: October 11, 2018, 01:13:18 PM »
you are still speculating...what evidence have SY or the PJ collected and who does it relate to....there is no sign the PJ have done anything

Surely you don't honestly think SY spent over £12 million and came up with no evidence whatsoever?
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Was the PJ right to decide that Madeleine had died so early on?
« Reply #40 on: October 11, 2018, 01:25:58 PM »
So Amaral thought.

He wasn't alone in his thoughts and his thoughts didn't dominate or decide the direction of the investigation, which is the point being discussed.

The theory of a fall from the sofa under the window, for example, was Encarnacao's. The request for Mark Harrison's services came from Encarnacao and it was he who decided which searches were carried out by the UK dogs.
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Offline Davel

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« Reply #41 on: October 11, 2018, 01:45:42 PM »
He wasn't alone in his thoughts and his thoughts didn't dominate or decide the direction of the investigation, which is the point being discussed.

The theory of a fall from the sofa under the window, for example, was Encarnacao's. The request for Mark Harrison's services came from Encarnacao and it was he who decided which searches were carried out by the UK dogs.

So none of them realised there, was no confirmation of a cadaver... Pathetic really
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Offline Snowgirl

Re: Was the PJ right to decide that Madeleine had died so early on?
« Reply #42 on: October 11, 2018, 02:45:01 PM »

Explain what he says here -   The body, the existence of which has been confirmed by the EVRD and CSI dogs but also by the results of the preliminary laboratory analyses, cannot be found.


A body CONFIRMED.
Yes of course the existence of a body was confirmed , had to have been  a body those places the best dogs in their field  in the world  picked up on ....”it cannot be found “... he says? So that’s true ?  It still hasn’t been found ?
The preliminary lab analyses said so too ? Yes .

 You  interpret words and sentences in a manner which fits your belief instead of the real meaning imo.
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Offline Lace

Re: Was the PJ right to decide that Madeleine had died so early on?
« Reply #43 on: October 11, 2018, 05:50:55 PM »
Yes of course the existence of a body was confirmed , had to have been  a body those places the best dogs in their field  in the world  picked up on ....”it cannot be found “... he says? So that’s true ?  It still hasn’t been found ?
The preliminary lab analyses said so too ? Yes .

 You  interpret words and sentences in a manner which fits your belief instead of the real meaning imo.

No existence of a body was confirmed,  neither by the dogs or the DNA.

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Re: Was the PJ right to decide that Madeleine had died so early on?
« Reply #44 on: October 11, 2018, 06:06:42 PM »
No existence of a body was confirmed,  neither by the dogs or the DNA.
wrong.
What are you doing to find Madeleine?