Jeremy Bamber forum - full stop idle or return?

[Tim Invictus]

Maybe I made up the subhuman thing - got carried away, but you DID say that someone on blue has low IQ, you DID say that the only one more pathetic than me was the one you called low IQ, and that people were laughing at me behind my back. Errr, what am I supposed to conclude from that - that you think I am brilliant?!
I am not a drama queen, never have been, never will be. I just have a hard time tolerating impertinent, pompous morons, that´s all.

 
Scipio do you know Abs is Danish ... to use your vernacular, she just tore you a new arsehole in her second language!

[abs]

Tim, third - third language, I´m Icelandic, just live in Denmark. 

[scipio_usmc]

Maybe I made up the subhuman thing - got carried away, but you DID say that someone on blue has low IQ, you DID say that the only one more pathetic than me was the one you called low IQ, and that people were laughing at me behind my back. Errr, what am I supposed to conclude from that - that you think I am brilliant?!
I am not a drama queen, never have been, never will be. I just have a hard time tolerating impertinent, pompous morons, that´s all.

If I am a moron then that doesn't bode well for you because in the debates we have had there you got you head handed to you.

 

[abs]

If I am a moron then that doesn't bode well for you because in the debates we have had there you got you head handed to you.

That is your opinion, mine is the opposite. 

[scipio_usmc]

That is your opinion, mine is the opposite. 

Yes and I would be embarrassed to have voiced many opinions you do such as that Sheila could have sat on the bed with the rifle up and down against the floor leaning over it to be able to pull the trigger and would have stayed seated.  She would have fallen face forward as I pointed out.

Your opinions about her being able to deliver the rifle blows to Nevill and break the rifle without getitng any of his blood on her and without damaging her hands/nails likewise defies credility.

They may make sense to you but not to anyone with a clue.

But hey you believe the police, family and Julie all got together in a giant conspiracy to plant blood in the suppressor and conceal blood found in the rifle.  What evidentiary basis do you have for your claims?  None you just don't want to believe Jeremy would have done it.

You deny reality all the time so denying you lost our debates is not surprising or even unexpected.   

[abs]

Yes and I would be embarrassed to have voiced many opinions you do such as that Sheila could have sat on the bed with the rifle up and down against the floor leaning over it to be able to pull the trigger and would have stayed seated.  She would have fallen face forward as I pointed out. She could have sat on the floor, sure. I just cannot see Jeremy firing those upwards shots - super-awkward!

Your opinions about her being able to deliver the rifle blows to Nevill and break the rifle without getitng any of his blood on her and without damaging her hands/nails likewise defies credility.

They may make sense to you but not to anyone with a clue. You have never discussed this with me. You have a tendency to mix us all up.


But hey you believe the police, family and Julie all got together in a giant conspiracy to plant blood in the suppressor and conceal blood found in the rifle.  What evidentiary basis do you have for your claims?  None you just don't want to believe Jeremy would have done it. You have never discussed this with me. You have a tendency to mix us all up.


You deny reality all the time so denying you lost our debates is not surprising or even unexpected. I am not in this to "win" or "lose". I am just looking at things that don´t make sense to me - and frankly, much of what you come up with doesn´t make sense.   

[Andrea]

Hi abs, are you leaning toward jb being innocent?

[Tim Invictus]

Hi abs, are you leaning toward jb being innocent?

I kind of wish there was a chance Bamber could be innocent; it would be more interesting to fight a MOJ case than just oppose the cranks in Bamber's little fan club! I don't believe many of the Bamberettes truly believe he is innocent!

[abs]

Hi abs, are you leaning toward jb being innocent?

Hi Andrea, I am, I think I am, I don´t care what anybody thinks. I cannot see how he could have done it. Barking dogs, crawling through that window, three grown up people to go against his plans, how could he have expected to control them?

[Myster]

He wasn't expecting to and didn't have to control them, until Nevill Bamber resisted and nearly scuppered the plan. It was a surprise attack when everyone was in a vulnerable position asleep in bed - a deliberate planned assasination. You've seen the blood on June Bamber's pillow, shot even before she had a chance come round and wonder what the hell was happening.

Dogs - the window he got in was the first and quickest he could reach from Pages Lane without disturbing any guard dog kept outside, especially if it was on the opposite side of WHF, i.e. kitchen side. The dogs barked later because of the noise caused by numerous police arriving and wandering around the property. June's small dog might have slept in the bedroom with her and so was just as unaware as his parents of anyone sneaking upstairs. Having lived there in his youth Jeremy Bamber knew the place like the back of his hand, so I'm sure he'd have been used to creeping about silently in the night without disturbing anyone.

[Holly Goodhead]

Myster I am under no illusion that you are all man 

My understanding of dogs is near zero but I do know they possess extraordinary auditory capabilities.  Not only would both the Bamber owned dogs have heard JB but also neighbouring dogs from the cottages along Pages Lane, especially the bike being peddaled along the dirt track.
   
http://dogcare.dailypuppy.com/auditory-sensitivity-humans-vs-dogs-4594.html

[scipio_usmc]

She could have sat on the floor, sure. I just cannot see Jeremy firing those upwards shots - super-awkward!

You keep ignoring that on the floor with her back arched against something her head would alreadd be partly back and he could force it back even more so the angle he had to fire would not necessarily be that extreme.   Having to dump her body out of a chair would be worse. 



You have never discussed this with me. You have a tendency to mix us all up.

I am not in this to "win" or "lose".

I am just looking at things that don´t make sense to me - and frankly, much of what you come up with doesn´t make sense.

The things I suggest do make sense to someone who has some frame of reference to assess whether something makes sense.  Since it makes sense to you for the police, family and Julie all to get together in a giant conspiracy to plant blood in the suppressor and conceal blood found in the rifle and to believe that Jeremy was framed you have no sound basis to suggest the claims of other don't make sense.  The things you suggest are what lack credibility.

Let's just look at one example in action. The evidence demonstrates that someone played with the bible while the blood was wet.  It was placed in a pool of blood that formed after Sheila was dead.  After being placed in such blood, while the blood was still wet, it was repeatedly opened and closed. 

What makes more sense: for this to have been done by Jeremy as he tried to figure out how he wanted to stage the bible to make it look like Sheila was acting out of some religious motivation or for police to have done it which would require them to have shot her or alternatively for her to have shot herself very shortly before they entered the room and them to have planted blood in the suppressor and removed drawback from inside the rifle?

You suggest the latter is more likely which to most people is crazy. Most people want evidence before they would accept anything so wild as being reasonably possible.



 

[Myster]

Myster I am under no illusion that you are all man 

My understanding of dogs is near zero but I do know they possess extraordinary auditory capabilities.  Not only would both the Bamber owned dogs have heard JB but also neighbouring dogs from the cottages along Pages Lane, especially the bike being peddaled along the dirt track.
   
http://dogcare.dailypuppy.com/auditory-sensitivity-humans-vs-dogs-4594.html

How do you know that the farm cottages had any dogs? If they did maybe they were asleep inside anyway, out to the world!

Once he approached the cottages and WHF entrance what was to stop him dismounting and walking with the bike?

If the guard dog was kept in one of the outbuildings/barns as has sometimes been stated how on earth could it have heard anything on the opposite side of the house where JB got in?  Particularly if he left the bike near to the entrance gate and crept up to the window out of sight of the outbuildings.



Jeremy Bamber was familiar with both dogs (and they with him) working at the farm during the day, having meals there and using the office. If any of the dogs slept in the woven dog bed in the kitchen they would have recognised him as soon as they saw and/or scented him, giving JB enough time to pacify them should they have started to bark.

[Myster]

Save those flirty     for Johnny Broom... or your long-suffering partner, ummph! 
Can't get over abs not knowing my gender after over two years! 

[scipio_usmc]

Hi Andrea, I am, I think I am, I don´t care what anybody thinks. I cannot see how he could have done it. Barking dogs, crawling through that window, three grown up people to go against his plans, how could he have expected to control them?

First of all your supposed logic fails miserably.  Your claim is that no one could hope to kill multiple people with a gun.  Yet there are hundreds of cases where people did just that.  There are a large number of example where one person killed an entire household with guns, axes or even knives.  So your suggestion no one would attempt to even try it lacks any rational basis whatsoever.  There are people who tried and got away with it.  In fact there are people who walked around daytime in buildings executing dozens of people successfully.

You are extremely hypocritical because you insist Sheila was able to do this but Jeremy woudl not have been able to.  Worse you swear up and down that the walls were too impenetrable for people to be able to hear anything happeing outside of that room so you insist that gunshots fire din 1 room could not be heard by police who were in the house or by police outside the windows but insist they would have not only heard a barking dog and been woken up by it but that they woudl definitely go investigate a barking dog.

In the meantime what would they find if they did investigate?  An armed Jeremy!  You suggested that they would do anything an armed Sheila ordered.  But seem to suggest an armed Jeremy would be handled different.

You claim your positions ar elogical but they are a conflicted mess totally lacking in any evidentiary foundation or logic at all except in the mind of someone bent on following bias and ignoring reality.