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Madeleine McCann: Mari Luz Cortes connection, fact and fiction.
« on: October 25, 2018, 09:11:56 PM »
"Madeleine McCann: Mari Luz Cortes, Santiago del Valle Garcia And Clarence Mitchell Says"
http://www.anorak.co.uk/182448/madeleine-mccann/madeleine-mccann-mari-luz-cortes-santiago-del-valle-garcia-and-clarence-mitchell-says.html

Is it true they printed thousands of posters?

"The 52-year-old convicted paedophile was arrested late yesterday on suspicion of killing Mari Luz Cortes, the five-year-old whose disappearance was initially linked to Madeleine’s.

The McCanns printed thousands of posters with pictures of their daughter and Mari Luz on them in a bid to solve the two cases.

The cases were not linked by everyone. Juan Jose Cortes, the girl’s father said at the time: “We don’t think it’s appropriate to relate one thing with the other, because they are two distinct cases, two different countries and two different lines of investigation. Nobody asked us anything.”

How did they print these"  How did they get rid of them?
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Re: Madeleine McCann: Mari Luz Cortes connection, fact and fiction.
« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2018, 10:28:30 PM »
I get the feeling the McCanns felt there was some connection between the abduction of Mari Cortes and Madeleine.

What would they have done with thousands of posters?

On their trip to Huelva Kate is seen holding a different looking poster.  Did they also have thousands of other posters too?  They only spent 1 or 2 days in Spain on this mission for the Renault hire car was taken  a few days later to be examined by Martin Grimes' dogs.
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Re: Madeleine McCann: Mari Luz Cortes connection, fact and fiction.
« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2018, 10:45:57 PM »

Translated article; "Wife of killer in Mari Luz case given two years for perjury" https://elpais.com/elpais/2013/05/13/inenglish/1368468804_498421.html

"The wife of Santiago del Valle, the man convicted of the January 2008 murder of five-year-old Mari Luz Cortés in Huelva, has been sentenced to two years in prison and fined 732 euros for giving false testimony during her husband's trial.


The judge considered that Isabel García "radically" changed the story she had given during the investigation stage of the 2011 trial to favor her husband and damage her sister-in-law, Rosa del Valle. Her husband was sentenced to 22 years in jail for the murder, while his sister received nine years as an accomplice.
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According to the sentence, García falsely said it was her sister-in-law who "called over the girl Mari Luz to get her into the house, who got her inside and gave her a bag of sweets, that the girl fell on the stairs; that Rosa had put her inside a shopping cart, covering her with a jacket and then, in the trunk of the car, took her to the marsh where, after recovering consciousness, she hit her again and threw her in the water." García said Rosa del Valle had told her this during a conversation in Pajaroncillo, Cuenca, in March 2008.

García refused to give evidence in her trial last week, but Del Valle did. She said she had "never spoken alone with her sister-in-law" about the death of Mari Luz and that García lied during the trial, incriminating her in the murder to cause her damage."


I wonder how the parents of Mari worked out that the killer was not involved in the McCann case? 

I suppose he might have had a water tight alibi for the 3rd May 2007?  But the guy "Santiago del Valle" had not murdered Mari until "January 2008" so the posters can't possibly be the ones in the car heading to Huelva in August 2007.  - Now that makes more sense.

Madeleine missing 3 May 2007

Boot load of posters taken to Huelva on the 4th/5th August 2007

Mari Cortes murdered in January 2008

Did "Santiago del Valle" have an alibi for 03 may 2007?

 



 
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Re: Madeleine McCann: Mari Luz Cortes connection, fact and fiction.
« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2018, 10:58:16 PM »
     "Says Clarence Mitchell, spokesman for the McCanns: “We hope the Portuguese police will be liaising with the Spanish police to establish this man’s movements around the time Madeleine disappeared.

    “We have no indication there is a direct link between the two cases. But given the proximity of the places Madeleine and Mari Luz disappeared from and the similarity in their ages, we believe it’s important the Portuguese police make absolutely sure there’s no connection now there’s been an arrest.”"


I am sure the police were eternally grateful for the spin doctor telling them what they should do !
I wonder on what definition of "proximity" he relies? close on 200 klicks and two and a bit hours in another country. Sounds like a bit of kidology.
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Re: Madeleine McCann: Mari Luz Cortes connection, fact and fiction.
« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2018, 11:02:36 PM »
This connection is interesting in that the next article says Santiago del Valle García  had been convicted of paedophilia before.

"Suspect confesses accidental death of Mari Luz Cortés"
https://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2008/03/suspect-confesses-accidental-death-of.html
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« Reply #5 on: October 25, 2018, 11:04:36 PM »
     "Says Clarence Mitchell, spokesman for the McCanns: “We hope the Portuguese police will be liaising with the Spanish police to establish this man’s movements around the time Madeleine disappeared.

    “We have no indication there is a direct link between the two cases. But given the proximity of the places Madeleine and Mari Luz disappeared from and the similarity in their ages, we believe it’s important the Portuguese police make absolutely sure there’s no connection now there’s been an arrest.”"


I am sure the police were eternally grateful for the spin doctor telling them what they should do !
I wonder on what definition of "proximity" he relies? close on 200 klicks and two and a bit hours in another country. Sounds like a bit of kidology.

Robert Black had victims in England, Ireland & Scotland & was suspected in other cases on mainland Europe.  Why not suspect Madeleine's & Mari's cases could be linked until proved otherwise?

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« Reply #6 on: October 25, 2018, 11:06:07 PM »
     "Says Clarence Mitchell, spokesman for the McCanns: “We hope the Portuguese police will be liaising with the Spanish police to establish this man’s movements around the time Madeleine disappeared.

    “We have no indication there is a direct link between the two cases. But given the proximity of the places Madeleine and Mari Luz disappeared from and the similarity in their ages, we believe it’s important the Portuguese police make absolutely sure there’s no connection now there’s been an arrest.”"


I am sure the police were eternally grateful for the spin doctor telling them what they should do !
I wonder on what definition of "proximity" he relies? close on 200 klicks and two and a bit hours in another country. Sounds like a bit of kidology.
It might sound a long way from PdL but what was he doing at the time?  Was he on holiday?
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Re: Madeleine McCann: Mari Luz Cortes connection, fact and fiction.
« Reply #7 on: October 25, 2018, 11:14:03 PM »
Her body was found "Civil Guard sources have confirmed that the body was badly composed and was wearing the same clothes as on the day she disappeared fifty days earlier." https://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2008/03/mari-luz-corts-tragic-ending.html

Did they have some reason to suspect Santiago?  Sounds like a neighbour, and a history of paedophilia, what else?
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« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2018, 11:24:41 PM »

The police were saying that it is quite OK to send a 5 year old up town to do shopping on her own.

That is not as bad as leaving your children alone asleep even with regular checking!

I find that a bit odd actually.
"Maddie and Mari Luz

Mari Luz disappeared from a public area. Maddie and her siblings were abandoned by their parents [...] they were exposed to chance

"Every time that a sequence of violent acts occurs, whether homicides, abductions, or terrorist acts, the first exercise that our common sense memory does, is to search for communions and to make analogies that tend to generalistic judgements that puff up one or another solution. When these facts have a strong impact within the media, the level of certainty that is formulated increases even more. It is therefore hardly surprising, that the disappearance of Mari Luz prompted the search for identifications with the Maddie case, leading to the comfortable and opportunistic theory that there are connections between both cases, both being the victims of a sexual predator.

There do not exist. Although close in time, they are absolutely different cases. Beginning with the space where the facts took place. Maddie disappeared from the room where she was sleeping, alongside her siblings, inside the apartment that belonged to her parents, even if only for the duration of their holidays. Mari Luz disappeared from a public space. The time coordinate is also different. The English girl disappeared during the night, the Spanish girl disappeared during the day. The location is also different. Mari Luz disappears in a street of her neighbourhood - and those who know this area in Huelva, know that we are talking about a poor community, of degraded housing or modest construction, which is inhabited by persons with financial difficulties, where the street is used by its inhabitants as a playground. To play on the streets in Torrejon is a socially normal action, there are neighbourhood relationships, the bonds of social mutual recognition are evident. It is normal for a mother to send her child shopping. According to the daily behaviour patterns, it cannot be said that the parents abandoned Mari Luz. That space is the community's territory. Maddie and her siblings were abandoned by their parents, in a foreign country, in a quality resort but, due to their short stay, that was strange to them and to their children. They went out to drink while the children were delivered to chance. But within a safe, controlled unit, without space for an abductor to act naturally. The public space is where abductions take place, by excellence. On streets, in shopping areas, on beaches, or when large crowds meet in open air. The private space, the home, is the territory of love, of violence, of tenderness and of death. But this is not where differences end. Mari Luz's parents immediately communicated the case to authorities. The police heard about Maddie long after the English diplomacy and Sky News did. The parents of Mari Luz expose themselves, in their suffering and distress, to the police and to the media. Maddie's parents chose to make emotional appeals but without a coherent explanation about what happened. They brought in a spokesperson to tell the press what it wanted to hear, but themselves, when it was time, refused to talk and left. The organised web never wanted to discuss the case's details. They chose to insult the PJ and the country that gave them shelter.

The truth, the sad truth, is that two children went missing. One, almost certainly, is dead. The other, the authorities still hope to find her alive. I hope they will. Unfortunately, these are not the first cases, and they will not be the last ones. They are cases from our common life. Unfortunately."
https://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2008/03/mccanns-now-want-to-question-mari-luz.html

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« Reply #9 on: October 25, 2018, 11:40:41 PM »
Robert Black had victims in England, Ireland & Scotland & was suspected in other cases on mainland Europe.  Why not suspect Madeleine's & Mari's cases could be linked until proved otherwise?

I am objecting to the misuse of the English language in misdirection and misinformation.
What would have been wrong with saying it's only two hours away and near enough on the same road.

proximity
/prɒkˈsɪmɪti/
noun
noun: proximity
    nearness in space, time, or relationship.

Judge for yourself; is 200km near in space? and is two hours near in time?

Mr Mitchell also once said about a run, K & G are running for the Madeleine Fund and other charities.



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« Reply #10 on: October 25, 2018, 11:44:58 PM »
I am objecting to the misuse of the English language in misdirection and misinformation.
What would have been wrong with saying it's only two hours away and near enough on the same road.

proximity
/prɒkˈsɪmɪti/
noun
noun: proximity
    nearness in space, time, or relationship.

Judge for yourself; is 200km near in space? and is two hours near in time?

Mr Mitchell also once said about a run, K & G are running for the Madeleine Fund and other charities.


That rather depends on the time of day on the traffic on the M4 or M25......
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« Reply #11 on: October 25, 2018, 11:45:16 PM »
I am objecting to the misuse of the English language in misdirection and misinformation.
What would have been wrong with saying it's only two hours away and near enough on the same road.

proximity
/prɒkˈsɪmɪti/
noun
noun: proximity
    nearness in space, time, or relationship.

Judge for yourself; is 200km near in space? and is two hours near in time?

Mr Mitchell also once said about a run, K & G are running for the Madeleine Fund and other charities.

If an asteroid missed colliding with the Earth by 200 km that would be a very near miss indeed.  @)(++(*
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« Reply #12 on: October 26, 2018, 12:52:31 AM »
A sizeable asteroid passing by at 200 km would be very very close indeed.

Another one hard to believe is this "DAILY STAR: “MADDIE COPS PROBE LINK TO SNATCH GIRL”

“Police in Portugal were last night investigating whether the fiend who snatched a five-year-old girl in Spain also took Madeleine McCann. Guilhermino Encarnacao, a key member of the Maddie squad, was drafted in to join the hunt for little Mari Lui Cortes” – Not to be confused with Mari Luz Cortes"
http://www.anorak.co.uk/179483/madeleine-mccann/madeleine-mccann-mari-luz-cortes-maddy-2-and-gerry-mccann-writes.html

Were there two missing girls "Mari Lui Cortes" and "Mari Luz Cortes"?
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« Reply #13 on: October 26, 2018, 12:52:43 AM »
Robert Black had victims in England, Ireland & Scotland & was suspected in other cases on mainland Europe.  Why not suspect Madeleine's & Mari's cases could be linked until proved otherwise?

The Spanish police followed Protocol and alerted Portugal when Mari Luz disappeared.


The police alert to Portugal of the disappearance of the Huelva girl
Huelva 16 JAN 20082

The Portuguese police are already aware of the disappearance of Mari Luz Cortés, the five-year-old girl from Huelva who disappeared since Sunday afternoon, when she left home alone to buy a bag of potatoes from a nearby kiosk. "There is a coordination protocol with the border police that has been launched in the case of the Portuguese," said yesterday the Government delegate in Andalusia, Juan José López Garzón.

The implementation of the collaboration protocol is common in police investigations that occur in border areas, according to the Government Sub-delegation in Huelva.

In this way, the police of the neighboring country are notified of the search undertaken, so that they are also alert there.
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The case has already transcended borders. And it has done so in relation to the case of Madeleine McCann, the British girl who disappeared in the Algarve (Portugal) on May 3. British journalists yesterday went to Huelva to cover the event and in the digital edition of the tabloid Daily Mail the headline read: "The police are looking for a five-year-old girl who disappeared 120 miles from the McCann hotel."

Precisely, Juan José Cortés, the father of Mari Luz, was asked yesterday if he believed that the disappearance of his daughter had something to do with Madelaine's. Cortés wanted to be very cautious: "We are clear that all these things will have to be clarified by the police," he said.

The family of Mari Luz received yesterday, among other testimonies of support, the call of the mother of Yeremi, the Canary child disappeared since March 2007.
https://elpais.com/diario/2008/01/16/espana/1200438032_850215.html
The remit of Operation Grange is to investigate ...  "(as if the abduction occurred in the UK)"

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« Reply #14 on: October 26, 2018, 12:55:44 AM »
A sizeable asteroid passing by at 200 km would be very very close indeed.

Another one hard to believe is this "DAILY STAR: “MADDIE COPS PROBE LINK TO SNATCH GIRL”

“Police in Portugal were last night investigating whether the fiend who snatched a five-year-old girl in Spain also took Madeleine McCann. Guilhermino Encarnacao, a key member of the Maddie squad, was drafted in to join the hunt for little Mari Lui Cortes” – Not to be confused with Mari Luz Cortes"
http://www.anorak.co.uk/179483/madeleine-mccann/madeleine-mccann-mari-luz-cortes-maddy-2-and-gerry-mccann-writes.html

Were there two missing girls "Mari Lui Cortes" and "Mari Luz Cortes"?
One is enough, I think.   Mari Luz is the little girl who was missing later found dead.
The remit of Operation Grange is to investigate ...  "(as if the abduction occurred in the UK)"