Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata

[Robittybob1]

I dont accept the alerts are evidence....Grime does not refer to them as evidence. The alerts are useful in pointing out where to look for evidence...gunit claimed the alerts had been used in an english  court...no cite supllied despite asking 3 times because it isnt true

So you didn't answer the specific question.

[G-Unit]

I dont accept the alerts are evidence....Grime does not refer to them as evidence. The alerts are useful in pointing out where to look for evidence...gunit claimed the alerts had been used in an english  court...no cite supllied despite asking 3 times because it isnt true

You seem to be denying that the evidence of cadaver dog handlers about their dog's alerts can be used in court.

[Robittybob1]

Every action made by the PJ and Portuguese police is seen through a fog of distrust and bias IMO of course.

sunny is accusing all those who criticise the ph as beeing biased...why dont you give it a rest

It was her opinion.

[Mr Gray]

You seem to be denying that the evidence of cadaver dog handlers about their dog's alerts can be used in court.

as far as I am aware...never used in an english court...lets start there

[Robittybob1]

You seem to be denying that the evidence of cadaver dog handlers about their dog's alerts can be used in court.

Davel posted a link with Grime giving evidence in court http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=10341.msg502047#msg502047 so he can't be denying it happens.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8k2GkZ7llc&t=123s is Mr Grime giving evidence.

[Alice Purjorick]

I will take Grimes opinion rather than yours... No evidential reliability

If you look in the official files held by the court under this reference : Document Ref No(201/07.0GALGS, p. 2477)
You will find what Mr Grime said in his deposition. Your version, unfortunately, is abbreviated to suit your own argument.

[Mr Gray]

If you look in the official files held by the court under this reference : Document Ref No(201/07.0GALGS, p. 2477)
You will find what Mr Grime said in his deposition. Your version, unfortunately, is abbreviated to suit your own argument.

Ate you suggesting this file is available on the net... Surely not

[Vertigo Swirl]

If you look in the official files held by the court under this reference : Document Ref No(201/07.0GALGS, p. 2477)
You will find what Mr Grime said in his deposition. Your version, unfortunately, is abbreviated to suit your own argument.

Which official files would these be?  The ones locked away in some Portuguese police station?

[G-Unit]

To get back to the thread topic cadaver dogs are not 'incredibly unreliable', Gerry McCann made a mistake in my opinion when he said that. I wonder if he enlightened Grime's supervisor Meredith Hughes when he contacted him?

We know now that the dogs relied on by the McCanns and their lawyers to demonstrate 'unreliability' alerted correctly in the Zapata case, despite their less than perfect track record. We also know that they were very different from Grime's dogs, who had such an impressive track record that Grime's evidence was not just allowed, it helped to convict a child murderer.

[slartibartfast]

To get back to the thread topic cadaver dogs are not 'incredibly unreliable', Gerry McCann made a mistake in my opinion when he said that. I wonder if he enlightened Grime's supervisor Meredith Hughes when he contacted him?

We know now that the dogs relied on by the McCanns and their lawyers to demonstrate 'unreliability' alerted correctly in the Zapata case, despite their less than perfect track record. We also know that they were very different from Grime's dogs, who had such an impressive track record that Grime's evidence was not just allowed, it helped to convict a child murderer.

IMO dog alerts are reliable, what dogs cannot do is tell you whose body or how it got there which is why they need corroborating evidence.

[Mr Gray]

IMO dog alerts are reliable, what dogs cannot do is tell you whose body or how it got there which is why they need corroborating evidence.

The dogs cannot tell you if there has been a body there ...that is a fact

[Mr Gray]

To get back to the thread topic cadaver dogs are not 'incredibly unreliable', Gerry McCann made a mistake in my opinion when he said that. I wonder if he enlightened Grime's supervisor Meredith Hughes when he contacted him?

We know now that the dogs relied on by the McCanns and their lawyers to demonstrate 'unreliability' alerted correctly in the Zapata case, despite their less than perfect track record. We also know that they were very different from Grime's dogs, who had such an impressive track record that Grime's evidence was not just allowed, it helped to convict a child murderer.

Are you not aware of the search facility on the forum..

[Robittybob1]

The dogs cannot tell you if there has been a body there ...that is a fact

So what did the cadaver dog alerts actually tell us then?

[Eleanor]

So what did the cadaver dog alerts actually tell us then?

Not a lot, as far as I can see.

[The General]

So what did the cadaver dog alerts actually tell us then?

Probably soiled nappies, sea bass and rotting meat.
Or the vestiges of the odour of a dead person.