Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata

[G-Unit]

The latter obviously but so what?  The police had already searched the McCanns and their property and found nothing, leading to Gerry’s conclusion that they were very unreliable, and why shouldn’t he say so if that was his opinion?  What should he have said about the dogs?  That they were almost always right and that therefore Madeleine must have died and somehowbeen transported in the hire car 23 days after her death, without him noticing?

The right time and place to present a defence is when charged and in court.

[Vertigo Swirl]

The right time and place to present a defence is when charged and in court.

So in your opinion Gerry is not allowed to voice an opinion about the dog alerts EVER until or unless he faces a prosecution lawyer?  What abject nonsense.

[Vertigo Swirl]

It certainly gets confusing when we realise Eddie alerted at the door seal and later to the key fob.   So could the alert just be to the key fob inside the car to begin with.  Eddie was never put into the boot, yet the dog Keela alerted in the boot.
I think the results are inconclusive.
IMO Eddie needed to have alerted to the boot when the key fob had been taken out of the car.

Thanks for your response.  I look forward to reading the views of the strident dog defenders too.

[Robittybob1]

Thanks for your response.  I look forward to reading the views of the strident dog defenders too.

The funny thing was I started off defending the dog, thinking there was a cadaver in the boot, but I deleted that bit before posting my comment.

[G-Unit]

So in your opinion Gerry is not allowed to voice an opinion about the dog alerts EVER until or unless he faces a prosecution lawyer?  What abject nonsense.

As an advocate of free speech I uphold the right of everyone to voice their opinions. It's not always advisable to do so, however. Especially when the opinion expressed is abject nonsense imo.

[Robittybob1]

As an advocate of free speech I uphold the right of everyone to voice their opinions. It's not always advisable to do so, however. Especially when the opinion expressed is abject nonsense imo.

What about  VS's post was "abject nonsense"?

[Vertigo Swirl]

As an advocate of free speech I uphold the right of everyone to voice their opinions. It's not always advisable to do so, however. Especially when the opinion expressed is abject nonsense imo.

No it is not, IMO, it is perfectly sensical in the circumstances. 

[G-Unit]

What about  VS's post was "abject nonsense"?

I was referring to Gerry McCann's opinion that cadaver dogs are incredibly unreliable.

[Robittybob1]

I was referring to Gerry McCann's opinion that cadaver dogs are incredibly unreliable.

Not all cadaver dogs would demonstrate the same ability,  Some might be unreliable even "incredibly unreliable".

[misty]

It certainly gets confusing when we realise Eddie alerted at the door seal and later to the key fob.   So could the alert just be to the key fob inside the car to begin with.  Eddie was never put into the boot, yet the dog Keela alerted in the boot.
I think the results are inconclusive.
IMO Eddie needed to have alerted to the boot when the key fob had been taken out of the car.

The issue of the key fob has always been a determining factor in my opinion of Grime's handling of the vehicle examination. A key fob is not routinely placed in a side pocket for long durations & imo there was insufficient time, after the PJ officer/driver had placed it in the pocket & left the vehicle parked, for a speck of blood to produce sufficient effused odour to facilitate Eddie's alert. My question has always been why Grime was so sure the key was the only source of the alert that he failed to remove it from the vehicle & deploy Eddie inside for a secondary examination.

[Sunny]

The issue of the key fob has always been a determining factor in my opinion of Grime's handling of the vehicle examination. A key fob is not routinely placed in a side pocket for long durations & imo there was insufficient time, after the PJ officer/driver had placed it in the pocket & left the vehicle parked, for a speck of blood to produce sufficient effused odour to facilitate Eddie's alert. My question has always been why Grime was so sure the key was the only source of the alert that he failed to remove it from the vehicle & deploy Eddie inside for a secondary examination.

I have to disagree misty. Transfer of cadaver scent doesn't take a long period of time it can be instantaneous.

Cadaver scent contamination may be transferred in
numerous scenarios. Any contact with a cadaver which is then passed to any
other material may be recognised by the dog causing a 'trigger' indication.

From Martin Grime's statement

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm

It says here that cadaver dog training aids can be produced by wiping a gauze pad over a deceased body. That wouldn't take a lot of time, or do you believe it would Misty?

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=ppDNBQAAQBAJ&pg=PA96&lpg=PA96&dq=cadaver+scent+transfer&source=bl&ots=CvD5xtEXgu&sig=mz0pcsxVai6lJepF-Xnz9kZAMSs&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwip9paL39XeAhXqLsAKHU3LAJA4ChDoATABegQIBBAB#v=onepage&q=cadaver%20scent%20transfer&f=false

[Vertigo Swirl]

Not all cadaver dogs would demonstrate the same ability,  Some might be unreliable even "incredibly unreliable".

Therefore it would be true to say cadaver dogs (generally) are unreliable would it not?

[Sunny]

Therefore it would be true to say cadaver dogs (generally) are unreliable would it not?

No, not unless you have a cite to that. Some cadaver dogs are very reliable I am sure, so could I say that cadaver dogs (generally) are reliable then?

[Vertigo Swirl]

No, not unless you have a cite to that. Some cadaver dogs are very reliable I am sure, so could I say that cadaver dogs (generally) are reliable then?

If some are reliable and some are not then how can you rely on them, generally speaking?  If You were buying a car and you knew that with a certain make and model a small percentage had a serious fault would you describe that make and model generally as very reliable?

[Eleanor]

If some are reliable and some are not then how can you rely on them, generally speaking?  If You were buying a car and you knew that with a certain make and model a small percentage had a serious fault would you describe that make and model generally as very reliable?

Would you buy one?