Author Topic: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata  (Read 255864 times)

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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #720 on: November 15, 2018, 07:27:28 AM »
Would you buy one?
No I wouldn’t, would you?
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Offline Eleanor

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #721 on: November 15, 2018, 07:32:25 AM »

Offline slartibartfast

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #722 on: November 15, 2018, 07:34:49 AM »
If some are reliable and some are not then how can you rely on them, generally speaking?  If You were buying a car and you knew that with a certain make and model a small percentage had a serious fault would you describe that make and model generally as very reliable?

Except we are not talking makes and models, it’s more like saying because a Peugeot 208 has reliability issues then a Toyota Yaris is unreliable.

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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #723 on: November 15, 2018, 07:48:52 AM »
No, not unless you have a cite to that. Some cadaver dogs are very reliable I am sure, so could I say that cadaver dogs (generally) are reliable then?
I tend to think each dog needs its own reliability rating.
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Offline Eleanor

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #724 on: November 15, 2018, 07:50:04 AM »
I tend to think each dog needs its own reliability rating.

What a very sensible idea.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #725 on: November 15, 2018, 07:55:37 AM »
What a very sensible idea.
It appears Eddie was around 95% reliable "High 90s".  Where as the Zapata dog was around 70% accurate.  Which isn't that bad but had too much doubt to be reliable.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #726 on: November 15, 2018, 08:12:21 AM »
Except we are not talking makes and models, it’s more like saying because a Peugeot 208 has reliability issues then a Toyota Yaris is unreliable.
Specially trained specialist cadaver dogs are a make and a model of dogs IMO.  Dogs generally are unreliable anyway, they are animals.
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Offline Eleanor

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #727 on: November 15, 2018, 08:13:41 AM »
It appears Eddie was around 95% reliable "High 90s".  Where as the Zapata dog was around 70% accurate.  Which isn't that bad but had too much doubt to be reliable.

Any doubt is not good.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #728 on: November 15, 2018, 08:19:22 AM »
if the dogs are highly reliable, and nearly always right, does that mean Madeleine’s corpse was in the hire car?

As I recall there was blood in the hire car according to Keela.
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Offline Eleanor

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #729 on: November 15, 2018, 08:20:34 AM »
As I recall there was blood in the hire car according to Keela.

No known source.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #730 on: November 15, 2018, 08:20:43 AM »
As I recall there was blood in the hire car according to Keela.
So we can be sure there was blood but no corpse?
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Offline slartibartfast

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #731 on: November 15, 2018, 08:42:42 AM »
Specially trained specialist cadaver dogs are a make and a model of dogs IMO.  Dogs generally are unreliable anyway, they are animals.

As each is trained (constructed) in it’s own way, they have to be viewed as different models. All cars of a certain class are intended for the same purpose.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #732 on: November 15, 2018, 08:45:14 AM »
Specially trained specialist cadaver dogs are a make and a model of dogs IMO.  Dogs generally are unreliable anyway, they are animals.

All dogs can detect the same smells but cadaver dogs have been conditioned to search for certain smells and to alert their handler when they find them. Conditioning means the alert is an automatic response, not a choice by the dog. The reliability of the alerts is therefore related to the abilities of the trainer who conditioned the dog. A good trainer will produce a reliable dog. A good dog will also learn from experience and become even better, like Eddie did.

 
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Offline G-Unit

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« Reply #733 on: November 15, 2018, 08:49:38 AM »
So we can be sure there was blood but no corpse?

That's my opinion. Blood on the key fob and in the boot.
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Offline Eleanor

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #734 on: November 15, 2018, 08:50:52 AM »
That's my opinion. Blood on the key fob and in the boot.

Whose Blood?