Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata

[G-Unit]

Come on - I see a relationship very dominated by Gerry.

That is something denied by them and all who knew them apart from Auntie Janet Kennedy;

"Gerry is a typical male and is very organised, but I feel it is Kate who dominates."

Although she did change that retrospectively;

"Instead of using the term 'is the one who dominates' with regard to the relationship between Kate and Gerry, I would like to state that they respect each other's decisions and all decisions are taken together."
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JANNET-KENNEDY.htm

[Robittybob1]

That is something denied by them and all who knew them apart from Auntie Janet Kennedy;

"Gerry is a typical male and is very organised, but I feel it is Kate who dominates."

Although she did change that retrospectively;

"Instead of using the term 'is the one who dominates' with regard to the relationship between Kate and Gerry, I would like to state that they respect each other's decisions and all decisions are taken together."
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JANNET-KENNEDY.htm

I'm basing my opinion on viewing occasions portrayed in videos produced over the years.

[Brietta]

  ... and Kate and Gerry's hypothetical relationship as discussed on internet fora has what exactly to do with Zapata and the unreliability of cadaver dogs???

[Alice Purjorick]

  ... and Kate and Gerry's hypothetical relationship as discussed on internet fora has what exactly to do with Zapata and the unreliability of cadaver dogs???

Nothing.
About the same as the question turned on its head.
"What has the Zapata case to with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann?"
My first and last post on this thread you will be delighted to hear!

[Robittybob1]

Nothing.
About the same as the question turned on its head.
"What has the Zapata case to with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann?"
My first and last post on this thread you will be delighted to hear!

Hooray!

[Sunny]

Nothing.
About the same as the question turned on its head.
"What has the Zapata case to with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann?"
My first and last post on this thread you will be delighted to hear!

From what I can see the Zapata case has nothing to do with cadaver dogs being unreliable, apart from a judge who deemed them no more reliable at that time than a toss of a coin.  He was wrong and Zapata was a murderer IMO.

Gerry McCann chose to use this case to claim that all cadaver dogs were "unreliable". Again he was wrong IMO.

[Brietta]

From what I can see the Zapata case has nothing to do with cadaver dogs being unreliable, apart from a judge who deemed them no more reliable at that time than a toss of a coin.  He was wrong and Zapata was a murderer IMO.

Gerry McCann chose to use this case to claim that all cadaver dogs were "unreliable". Again he was wrong IMO.

In the light of knowledge at the time it is my opinion that ...

• the judge was correct to take into consideration the performance or lack of it ... as demonstrated in training sessions ... to make his decision that cadaver dogs' indications were unreliable

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But Fiedler said prosecutors offered no independent evidence to corroborate the dogs’ indications, noting that no remains were found. He also noted an analysis offered by Zapata’s defense team that all three dogs failed to identify odors left by human remains more than 50 percent of the time.
“The state has failed to convince me that it’s any more reliable than the flip of a coin,” Fiedler said.
https://www.twincities.com/2007/08/31/judge-evidence-from-cadaver-dogs-cannot-be-used-at-murder-trial/

• ... to ignore evidence that cadaver dogs in the Zapata case were unreliable ... and to ignore Eddie's performance in the field in Jersey would have been in my opinion, incomprehensible.

[John]

Too many sweeping statements are being made claiming CSI dogs are reliable or unreliable imo. The fact is that no two dogs ever get the same training or ever experience the same lifetime events. One cannot bunch all dogs together in a convenient package simply to justify one point of view or another.

CSI, cadaver and tracker dogs can be many things to many people. One dog can be reliable while another could be unreliable, dogs like humans can have bad days too. Its like saying humans are reliable or unreliable, its just silly.

These dogs have over the centuries provided a unique service to mankind in all sorts of situations, every dog has its own ability so please, let's not do them a disservice and classify them otherwise.

[G-Unit]

Too many sweeping statements are being made claiming CSI dogs are reliable or unreliable imo. The fact is that no two dogs ever get the same training or ever experience the same lifetime events. One cannot bunch all dogs together in a convenient package simply to justify one point of view or another.

CSI, cadaver and tracker dogs can be many things to many people. One dog can be reliable while another could be unreliable, dogs like humans can have bad days too. Its like saying humans are reliable or unreliable, its just silly.

These dogs have over the centuries provided a unique service to mankind in all sorts of situations, every dog has its own ability so please, let's not do them a disservice and classify them otherwise.

An excellent post. As I said previously the McCanns and their lawyers made a mistake in my opinion using evidence about other dogs to try to discredit Grime's dogs. The judge in the Zapata case was talking about the dogs used in that case, not about all cadaver dogs.

Grime's dogs were trained differently and tested differently to those in America. In the Bianca Jones case Grime's evidence was accepted by an American court because his dogs were very accurate when tested; in the high 90% range according to  FBI Canine Program Manager Rex Stockham.
https://caselaw.findlaw.com/mi-court-of-appeals/1683760.html

The dogs in the Zapata case and Grime's dogs were not the same.

[Vertigo Swirl]

An excellent post. As I said previously the McCanns and their lawyers made a mistake in my opinion using evidence about other dogs to try to discredit Grime's dogs. The judge in the Zapata case was talking about the dogs used in that case, not about all cadaver dogs.

Grime's dogs were trained differently and tested differently to those in America. In the Bianca Jones case Grime's evidence was accepted by an American court because his dogs were very accurate when tested; in the high 90% range according to  FBI Canine Program Manager Rex Stockham.
https://caselaw.findlaw.com/mi-court-of-appeals/1683760.html

The dogs in the Zapata case and Grime's dogs were not the same.

IMO, there should be one rule for all when it comes to cadaver dog evidence in a court room situation.  It is either deemed reliable and therefore acceptable to be presented before the court or it is not.  Is it?  Should it?   

[Eleanor]

IMO, there should be one rule for all when it comes to cadaver dog evidence in a court room situation.  It is either deemed reliable and therefore acceptable to be presented before the court or it is not.  Is it?  Should it?

The day they rely on Dog Evidence alone will be a very sad day.  But that won't ever happen

In fact Dog Evidence shouldn't be needed at all.  If they have nothing else then they have No Case.  In My Opinion.

[Mr Gray]

Does anyone think Grimes assertion that Eddie alerted to CC should be accepted by any court

[Eleanor]

Does anyone think Grimes assertion that Eddie akerted to CC should be accepted by any court

If the Video is anything to go by, then it won't be.  But if anyone should ever try it on, then the Video can be presented as well.

Any Jury would have a great time with that one.

[barrier]

If the Video is anything to go by, then it won't be.  But if anyone should ever try it on, then the Video can be presented as well.

Any Jury would have a great time with that one.

Before that the prosecution and defence lawyers would have their work cut out.

[Eleanor]

Before that the prosecution and defence lawyers would have their work cut out.

Yep.  Cutting out Eddie and Cuddle Cat.  And a good bit more.  Heaven knows how Lennie Harper fell for it.