Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata

[G-Unit]

So heres your cite for impressive success rate


I see... No dog is perfect but more has been accurate... Then we have the rubbish about not been shown to be incorrect... It's rubbish because it's basically impossible to show a dog is incorrect.... Even the coconut fiasco is defended by sceptics as not proof of a false positive

Grime's dogs, like others, have helped the police to find answers in murder cases. Their work has contributed to bringing murderers to justice. Attempts by the McCanns, their lawyers and their supporters to discredit the dogs and their habdlers are, in my opinion, understandible but not laudable.

[Mr Gray]

If true along with each and everyone on this forum,don't try and claim an high ground there isn't one.

I do... And there is... So tell me what is the purpose of the dogs... What are they trained for... Can you or anyone tell me off the top of their heads

[slartibartfast]

Martin Grime stated that Eddie alerted to Decomposing Body Fluids, of which Urine is one.

“Given the nature of the training, the dog will not alert to urine, saliva, semen sweat, nasal secretion, vaginal secretion or human skin unless these are mixed with blood.”

[Mr Gray]

“Given the nature of the training, the dog will not alert to urine, saliva, semen sweat, nasal secretion, vaginal secretion or human skin unless these are mixed with blood.”

How much blood would need to be present  in the urine

[G-Unit]

No it wouldn't....do you not understand  why

I look forward to your explanation; with cites, obviously.

[barrier]

I do... And there is... So tell me what is the purpose of the dogs... What are they trained for... Can you or anyone tell me off the top of their heads

You've answered,"what they are trained for",and no you do not old any high ground save in your own estimation.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Grime's dogs, like others, have helped the police to find answers in murder cases. Their work has contributed to bringing murderers to justice. Attempts by the McCanns, their lawyers and their supporters to discredit the dogs and their habdlers are, in my opinion, understandible but not laudable.

Can I ask, do you think a propos of Martin Grime and what he says about his dogs one should “Accept Everything, Believe His Every Word, Confirm Nothing”?

[barrier]

How much blood would need to be present  in the urine

Ask the dogs.

[Vertigo Swirl]

“Given the nature of the training, the dog will not alert to urine, saliva, semen sweat, nasal secretion, vaginal secretion or human skin unless these are mixed with blood.”

Crikey.  Given that blood often appears in nasal and vaginal secretions just how much store can be put in alerts where no forensic evidence is present?

[Mr Gray]

I look forward to your explanation; with cites, obviously.

I have the answer and cite off the top of my head... Do you

[Eleanor]

“Given the nature of the training, the dog will not alert to urine, saliva, semen sweat, nasal secretion, vaginal secretion or human skin unless these are mixed with blood.”

Oh Dear.  That was naughty.  Your Cite was referring to Keela.

And Keela - source http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES_RIGATORY.htm

'The dog that alerts to human blood is trained exclusively for this purpose, and includes its components, plasma, red cells, white cells and platelets. Given the nature of the training, the dog will not alert to urine, saliva, semen, sweat, nasal secretion, vaginal secretion or human skin unless these are mixed with blood.'

[G-Unit]

Can I ask, do you think a propos of Martin Grime and what he says about his dogs one should “Accept Everything, Believe His Every Word, Confirm Nothing”?

It's not a case of accepting everything Grime says, it's a case of rejecting what has been said by those who are not qualified to contradict him.

[G-Unit]

I have the answer and cite off the top of my head... Do you

Do share.

[Vertigo Swirl]

It's not a case of accepting everything Grime says, it's a case of rejecting what has been said by those who are not qualified to contradict him.

of course it is!  Please supply a list of all those on this forum who are permitted to contradict or criticise Mr Grime.  Once it’s been established that no one may, then perhaps we should have it as a forum rule, what say you?

[slartibartfast]

Oh Dear.  That was naughty.  Your Cite was referring to Keela.

And Keela - source http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES_RIGATORY.htm

'The dog that alerts to human blood is trained exclusively for this purpose, and includes its components, plasma, red cells, white cells and platelets. Given the nature of the training, the dog will not alert to urine, saliva, semen, sweat, nasal secretion, vaginal secretion or human skin unless these are mixed with blood.'

Did Eddie alert in the toilet?