Author Topic: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata  (Read 5456 times)

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Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #555 on: November 09, 2018, 11:20:42 AM »
Why not? Davel stated it as fact, It is not proven that the dogs got excited because they smelled luminol.

   If you want to use that logic I could say Eddie got excited because he smelt the smell of death. I can't prove it so it would only be an opinion. Fair is Fair.

If Eddie was excited because he smelt the smell of death,  why didn't he pinpoint the scent and alert when he went into 5a instead of having to be called back numerous times?    Eddie was excited to find Cuddle Cat,  did he alert? No,   he played with it.

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Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #556 on: November 09, 2018, 12:06:08 PM »
What does that post mean? ... I am afraid you have lost me.
The SC appeared to have said they were not entitled to the presumption  of innocence... That's, erroneous
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Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #557 on: November 09, 2018, 12:12:09 PM »
What does that post mean? ... I am afraid you have lost me.

The Supreme Court said that the archiving report should have been carried out under 277/2 rather than 2771. They were, at the time, discussing the McCann couple, not Murat. It's possible therefore that 277/1 was correct in his case.
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« Reply #558 on: November 09, 2018, 12:15:15 PM »
The Supreme Court said that the archiving report should have been carried out under 277/2 rather than 2771. They were, at the time, discussing the McCann couple, not Murat. It's possible therefore that 277/1 was correct in his case.

Could the case be archived under two different codes
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« Reply #559 on: November 09, 2018, 12:43:53 PM »
Could the case be archived under two different codes

Well there were two separate declarations, so it could be that they were only referring to the one concerning the McCanns;

a) The archiving of the Process concerning arguido Robert James Queriol Eveleigh Murat, because there are no indications of the practise of any crime under the dispositions of article 277 number 1 of the Penal Process Code;

b) The archiving of the Process concerning Arguidos Gerald Patrick McCann and Kate Marie Healy, because there are no indications of the practise of any crime under the dispositions of article 277 number 1 of the Penal Process Code.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LEGAL_SUMMARY.htm
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« Reply #560 on: November 09, 2018, 12:57:17 PM »
Well there were two separate declarations, so it could be that they were only referring to the one concerning the McCanns;

a) The archiving of the Process concerning arguido Robert James Queriol Eveleigh Murat, because there are no indications of the practise of any crime under the dispositions of article 277 number 1 of the Penal Process Code;

b) The archiving of the Process concerning Arguidos Gerald Patrick McCann and Kate Marie Healy, because there are no indications of the practise of any crime under the dispositions of article 277 number 1 of the Penal Process Code.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LEGAL_SUMMARY.htm

Sauce for the goose ... ?

Think I'll wait for what the ECHR has to say about it rather than the interpretation of internet 'experts'.
The remit of Operation Grange is to investigate ...  "(as if the abduction occurred in the UK)"

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Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #561 on: November 09, 2018, 02:22:31 PM »
Sauce for the goose ... ?

Think I'll wait for what the ECHR has to say about it rather than the interpretation of internet 'experts'.

If they ever say anything, of course.
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Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

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Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #563 on: November 11, 2018, 01:08:23 PM »


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17403590


I'm surprised in this sort if scenario... Freshly contaminated.... The dogs were not 100%...what there are no studies on is what happens where there is no scent and the digs are repeatedly called back... Which IMO encourages them to alert as we saw with CC
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Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #564 on: November 11, 2018, 06:34:11 PM »
I think we need to know if anyone laid on the other 9 carpet squares?
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Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #566 on: November 12, 2018, 09:46:15 AM »
Was the same contaminated square used over and over again?
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Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #567 on: November 12, 2018, 10:01:16 AM »
Was the same contaminated square used over and over again?
Maybe they just recognised the square........

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« Reply #568 on: November 12, 2018, 10:36:43 AM »
In 2017 Avon and Somerset, Wiltshire and Gloucester Police had 40 police dogs in service between them. Each dog cost 44.5k to maintain. That covers handler pay, dog kennelling, dog food, vet fees, equipment and travel/accommodation. It doesn't include the costs involved in training the handlers and the dogs.
https://www.avonandsomerset.police.uk/154017-police-dogs-and-kennelling-costs

It's clear that the police find dogs extremely useful and worth funding. If a dog which detects drugs or explosives is useful then so is a cadaver dog; they all use their sense of smell.






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« Reply #569 on: November 12, 2018, 10:42:03 AM »
In 2017 Avon and Somerset, Wiltshire and Gloucester Police had 40 police dogs in service between them. Each dog cost 44.5k to maintain. That covers handler pay, dog kennelling, dog food, vet fees, equipment and travel/accommodation. It doesn't include the costs involved in training the handlers and the dogs.
https://www.avonandsomerset.police.uk/154017-police-dogs-and-kennelling-costs

It's clear that the police find dogs extremely useful and worth funding. If a dog which detects drugs or explosives is useful then so is a cadaver dog; they all use their sense of smell.

No one has, said the dogs are not useful.... Grime explains it very well
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