Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata

[Vertigo Swirl]

It's not up to judges, lawyers or juries to decide whether a dog performed satisfactorily or not.

Who is it up to then?

[The General]

It was only in 5a that the dig was, repeatedly called back to places he ignored... So it isn't strange... There us, a, simple, answer to prettyvwel all the points, sceptic think incriminate  the McCanns....and hence they are not suspects in either investigation...

If a maintenance operative is asked to fix a washing machine in Apartment 5a, he doesn't go to Apartment 5j.
If a dog handler is asked to get his dogs to check for cadaverine and blood in Apartment 5a, he goes there and does it. He goes to other apartments as a baseline and to provide rigour. The focus wasn't anywhere else, the focus was on the last place the wee mite was seen alive.

[Mr Gray]

If a maintenance operative is asked to fix a washing machine in Apartment 5a, he doesn't go to Apartment 5j.
If a dog handler is asked to get his dogs to check for cadaverine and blood in Apartment 5a, he goes there and does it. He goes to other apartments as a baseline and to provide rigour. The focus wasn't anywhere else, the focus was on the last place the wee mite was seen alive.

I agree ....and I see why grime repeatedly called the dogs back only in 5a....the fact that he did offers an explanation of why the dogs only alerted in 5a...

[slartibartfast]

It was only in 5a that the dig was, repeatedly called back to places he ignored... So it isn't strange... There us, a, simple, answer to prettyvwel all the points, sceptic think incriminate  the McCanns....and hence they are not suspects in either investigation...

The dog only showed interest in 5a. That is clear from Grime’s testimony.

[Mr Gray]

The dog only showed interest in 5a. That is clear from Grime’s testimony.

From the files... The dogs were brought back to places they had previously  ignored... The PJ found it strange it seems

[slartibartfast]

From the files... The dogs were brought back to places they had previously  ignored... The PJ found it strange it seems

Please provide the actual cite.

[Mr Gray]

Please provide the actual cite.

I have provided it many times and am happy to do it again.... But will need the help of lace or misty... It's important this point is, addressed

[Brietta]

They tell us that Eddie smelt 'something'   having been called back numerous times.    As Eddie was trained to alert to blood decomposing body parts,   who knows what he smelt.   Other families stayed in 5a before the dogs were brought in.


What I can't understand is how the items of clothing that Eddie alerted to { well I say alerted to, cadaver dogs are trained not to touch evidence, yet Eddie picked them up with his teeth]   were side by side how weird is that what are the odds of that happening?

In my opinion the same clothing which was not alerted to in the villa(A) but alerted to when transferred to the gymnasium(B) must have been cross contaminated between (A) and (B).

[G-Unit]

Of course it is

No it isn't.

[The General]

In my opinion the same clothing which was not alerted to in the villa(A) but alerted to when transferred to the gymnasium(B) must have been cross contaminated between (A) and (B).

Cross contaminated with what?

[Mr Gray]

No it isn't.

Of course it is... Evidence is presented and the jury decides if it's credible

[Brietta]

From the files... The dogs were brought back to places they had previously  ignored... The PJ found it strange it seems

The PJ may have been unfamiliar with the use of dogs with the attributes of Eddie and Keela but in my opinion they were quick to learn enough to make their own conclusions.

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This summarized description raises a question that we would like to see answered: could the dog be 'marking' not the odours emanated from a cadaver, directly or indirectly (by contagious), but from blood in putrefaction'
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From the screening of the videos, referred previously, done when the dogs were working, some doubts arise. We don't want and we can't take the place of the trainer, we only wish to alert, with this paragraph, to some facts, that according to us, need further clarification.

If the dog is trained to react when he detects what he is looking for, why, in most of the cases, we see the dog passing more than once by that place in an uninterested way, until he finally signals the place where he had already passed several times'

On one of the films, it's possible to see that 'Eddie' sniffs Madeleine's cuddle cat, more than once, bites it, throws it into the air and only after the toy is hidden does he 'mark' it (page 2099). Whys didn't he signal it when he sniffs it on the first time'

Apart from all that was said about the dogs, we must also take into attention the results of the forensic analysis that was performed by the experts on the Scientific Police Laboratory on the day immediately after the facts, and already mentioned where no vestige of blood was found.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ANALYSIS-11-VOLUMES.htm

[Brietta]

Cross contaminated with what?

Something or other reminiscent of cadaver scent ... take your pick.

[Brietta]

Please provide the actual cite.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=10341.msg502287#msg502287

[Mr Gray]

The PJ may have been unfamiliar with the use of dogs with the attributes of Eddie and Keela but in my opinion they were quick to learn enough to make their own conclusions.

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This summarized description raises a question that we would like to see answered: could the dog be 'marking' not the odours emanated from a cadaver, directly or indirectly (by contagious), but from blood in putrefaction'
__________________________________________________________________________________________

From the screening of the videos, referred previously, done when the dogs were working, some doubts arise. We don't want and we can't take the place of the trainer, we only wish to alert, with this paragraph, to some facts, that according to us, need further clarification.

If the dog is trained to react when he detects what he is looking for, why, in most of the cases, we see the dog passing more than once by that place in an uninterested way, until he finally signals the place where he had already passed several times'

On one of the films, it's possible to see that 'Eddie' sniffs Madeleine's cuddle cat, more than once, bites it, throws it into the air and only after the toy is hidden does he 'mark' it (page 2099). Whys didn't he signal it when he sniffs it on the first time'

Apart from all that was said about the dogs, we must also take into attention the results of the forensic analysis that was performed by the experts on the Scientific Police Laboratory on the day immediately after the facts, and already mentioned where no vestige of blood was found.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ANALYSIS-11-VOLUMES.htm

Passing by more than once in an uninterested way... If there cadaver why no alert the first time