Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata

[The General]

That's right... He didn't answer the question... You just think he did  .
Does anyone believe that was an alert

Whether it was an alert or not, whether you think it was or not, he answered the question. In fact he was so confident of an alert at the time he told them to bag it and tag it. So a trained man is brought in with his trained dogs, the trained dogs do their job, he does his in quite a robust manner and goes home.
This is one of dozens of cases. He's got no vested interest. He hasn't made this whole thing up. An authority such as Mark Harrison, an expert in his field I think we can all agree, deemed Martin Grime and the dogs to be pertinent.
Disparage the evidence and disparage the method as much as you like, but as long as world renowned experts rely on it, and courts accept its veracity, there will be a place. I predict [places index fingers to temples and closes eyes] that these methods will be extended far reachingly (is that even a word?) in crime and other instances.

[Mr Gray]

Whether it was an alert or not, whether you think it was or not, he answered the question. In fact he was so confident of an alert at the time he told them to bag it and tag it. So a trained man is brought in with his trained dogs, the trained dogs do their job, he does his in quite a robust manner and goes home.
This is one of dozens of cases. He's got no vested interest. He hasn't made this whole thing up. An authority such as Mark Harrison, an expert in his field I think we can all agree, deemed Martin Grime and the dogs to be pertinent.
Disparage the evidence and disparage the method as much as you like, but as long as world renowned experts rely on it, and courts accept its veracity, there will be a place. I predict [places index fingers to temples and closes eyes] that these methods will be extended far reachingly (is that even a word?) in crime and other instances.

He didn't answer the question.... Mark Harrison who you refer to said no inferences can be drawn from the alerts... Afaik the alerts have never been accepted as evidence in an English court... World-wide it's less than a, handful... Grime sayscthey are not corroborated as I have quoted...
There is no evidence there ever was, a cadaver in 5a

[The General]

He didn't answer the question.... Markbiob Harrison who you refer to said no inferences can be drawn from the alerts... Afaik the alerts have never been accepted as evidence in an English court... World-wide it's less than a, handful... Grime sayscthey are not corroborated as I have quoted...
There is no evidence there ever was, a cadaver in 5a

....and yet the overwhelming majority of all stakeholders were accepting of Martin Grime, the method and the dogs. Except Gerry McCann.

[Mr Gray]

....and yet the overwhelming majority of all stakeholders were accepting of Martin Grime, the method and the dogs. Except Gerry McCann.

No... SY particularly are not convinced of a death in the apartment

The dogs were brought in to find evidence

[The General]

No... SY particularly are not convinced of a death in the apartment

You may as well have said 'SY don't like the Algarve'. What's SY's opinion on EVRD dogs, more pertinently, and specifically at the time, in 2007?

[Mr Gray]

You may as well have said 'SY don't like the Algarve'. What's SY's opinion on EVRD dogs, more pertinently, and specifically at the time, in 2007?

We've got grimes and Harrisons opinion... No evidential value or reliability.... No inference can be drawn

[Mr Gray]

Whether it was an alert or not, whether you think it was or not, he answered the question. In fact he was so confident of an alert at the time he told them to bag it and tag it. So a trained man is brought in with his trained dogs, the trained dogs do their job, he does his in quite a robust manner and goes home.
This is one of dozens of cases. He's got no vested interest. He hasn't made this whole thing up. An authority such as Mark Harrison, an expert in his field I think we can all agree, deemed Martin Grime and the dogs to be pertinent.
Disparage the evidence and disparage the method as much as you like, but as long as world renowned experts rely on it, and courts accept its veracity, there will be a place. I predict [places index fingers to temples and closes eyes] that these methods will be extended far reachingly (is that even a word?) in crime and other instances.

I predict that the, alerts will not be used extensively  ...ever... Unless they can be supported by evidence... LCN DNA was used, extensively until it was challenged

[The General]

We've got grimes and Harrisons opinion... No evidential value or reliability.... No inference can be drawn

However the McCann's were accepting of an absolute weapon with a 'Triangulating Person Finding Machine'.
I can now see the logic behind all this.

[Mr Gray]

However the McCann's were accepting of an absolute weapon with a 'Triangulating Person Finding Machine'.
I can now see the logic behind all this.

You will need a cite for that..

[The General]

You will need a cite for that..

Fill yer boots: https://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2010/01/mccanns-danie-krugel-and-quantum.html
Probably not a site you would prefer to naivgate to, but a cite nevertheless.

[Mr Gray]

Fill yer boots: https://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2010/01/mccanns-danie-krugel-and-quantum.html
Probably not a site you would prefer to naivgate to, but a cite nevertheless.

I've read the site extensively... I don't see the McCann's saying they trusted him

[Brietta]

Whether it was an alert or not, whether you think it was or not, he answered the question. In fact he was so confident of an alert at the time he told them to bag it and tag it. So a trained man is brought in with his trained dogs, the trained dogs do their job, he does his in quite a robust manner and goes home.
This is one of dozens of cases. He's got no vested interest. He hasn't made this whole thing up. An authority such as Mark Harrison, an expert in his field I think we can all agree, deemed Martin Grime and the dogs to be pertinent.
Disparage the evidence and disparage the method as much as you like, but as long as world renowned experts rely on it, and courts accept its veracity, there will be a place. I predict [places index fingers to temples and closes eyes] that these methods will be extended far reachingly (is that even a word?) in crime and other instances.

Snip
As the emails to Coupland demonstrate, at first Harper displayed a healthy scepticism. So what made him change his mind? According to a senior detective who worked on Harper's team, one factor was sniffer dog Eddie's handler, Martin Grime.

'Grime made a presentation, showing him [Harper] a video of the dog finding the "scent of death" in Kate and Gerry McCann's car,' the detective said.
'They were still formal suspects and the case had got worldwide publicity. It seemed to get Lenny very excited. I think Grime kind of bewitched him.'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1217863/Bungled-Jersey-child-abuse-probe-branded-20million-shambles.html

[Sunny]

I've read the site extensively... I don't see the McCann's saying they trusted him

According to Kate's book they certainly helped him.

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=PIT6SeWkVcAC&q=+%E2%80%98matter+orientation+system%E2%80%99#v=snippet&q=%E2%80%98matter%20orientation%20system%E2%80%99&f=false

[Mr Gray]

According to Kate's book they certainly helped him.

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=PIT6SeWkVcAC&q=+%E2%80%98matter+orientation+system%E2%80%99#v=snippet&q=%E2%80%98matter%20orientation%20system%E2%80%99&f=false

Kate says how vulnerable and close to the edge they were and it wouldn't hurt to try it.. Try anything probably... That doesn't mean they were convinced it worked

[Sunny]

Kate says how vulnerable and close to the edge they were and it wouldn't hurt to try it.. Try anything probably... That doesn't mean they were convinced it worked

Mark Harrison didn't rate Krugel

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/Danie_Krugel.htm

And neither do I.

Is this true
Let’s turn momentarily to Danie Krugel. Contact with Krugel is initiated on June 9th, when at 21:48 Gerry calls him for 12 minutes 38 seconds. According to the records in the PJ Files, he had been recommended via email (also from South Africa). It will be over a month before Krugel arrives in Portugal. During this time – and just after he leaves – there are a smattering of contacts between Gerry, Krugel and Susan Puren (an South African investigative journalist). It is later said that whilst in Portugal, the McCanns effectively ignored Krugel, and when they finally met – before Krugel and Puren left – it was a very abrupt meeting in which the South Africans were ‘made to feel like they were meeting Royals’.
This is rather at odds with the fact that it was Gerry who initiated contact. Why initiate contact and request help, only to completely ignore that help until the last possible moment?
Whilst Krugel was on site, Mark Harrison was brought in – but more on that later.
Krugel produced a map, showing the areas he had searched, and which he felt would be worth further investigation.

http://gerrymccan-abuseofpower-humanrights.blogspot.com/2016/12/mccann-case-house-on-black-rock.html
Did Gerry Call, Danie Krugel in June 2007 and instigate the search by him?