Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata

[Robittybob1]

It would be interesting if the PJ GNR did take photos of the flat when they got entry without a crowd...

Kate had a digital camera there of her own (its on the dining table).  Why wouldn't the clients take their own photos of the scene?

[Robittybob1]

They didn't move the cots or beds so why do you think they moved a sofa up against a wall where Gerry said it was situated?

IMO that crumpled curtain was like that before anybody started searching that apartment, therefore, it's important to the case as the dogs indicated.

What I see in the crime scene photo is a sofa up against the western wall.  Maybe no one looked behind the sofa at all until after the photo was taken.  I personally have no personal views on where, when to or who moved the sofa.

[Robittybob1]

As you believe the McCanns then you can tell me; Who was looking after the children when Kate had her shower at 18:30? If they weren't allowed to go out and play then it's likely they were playing in the living room where that sofa was situated.

Who believes the McCanns?  Not me, for I don't.  They say Madeleine didn't wander but I reckon she did.
So I would imagine the kids playing by themselves for a few minutes while Kate took a quick shower.  Is that against the law too?

[pathfinder73]

The point being it's possible Madeleine was pushed or fell off the sofa whilst they were playing unattended. This was around the time David arrived and everyone knows they contradicted each other about that visit.

[Robittybob1]

The point being it's possible Madeleine was pushed or fell off the sofa whilst they were playing unattended. This was around the time David arrived and everyone knows they contradicted each other about that visit.

It was a period that has never been satisfactorily explained.

Didn't the PJ try and suggest that David and Kate had sex during that time.
For Kate it was 30 seconds, for David it was 30 minutes.
Obviously they are talking about two different events.

Could it be explained by Kate having a nap or a blackout, being just exhausted from the lugging the kids around, the travel and 5 late nights in a row.

[Robittybob1]

The point being it's possible Madeleine was pushed or fell off the sofa whilst they were playing unattended. This was around the time David arrived and everyone knows they contradicted each other about that visit.

But examined under the topic of the cadaver dogs.  The dogs alerted to something, and IMO the least that it could have been was some  minor bleeding.  Keela alerting to dried blood and Eddie to blood that had gone putrefied within the cracks in the tiles.   It doesn't have to be a dead body but just the result of a bleeding nose, something it has been admitted to that Madeleine was prone to have.

Could I suggest a rather innocent scenario?  So something happens while Kate is resting, Madeleine is bumped in the nose and some blood falls (spattered or splattered) and is generally tidied up without Kate being aware.

[Brietta]

It was a period that has never been satisfactorily explained.

Didn't the PJ try and suggest that David and Kate had sex during that time.
For Kate it was 30 seconds, for David it was 30 minutes.
Obviously they are talking about two different events.

Could it be explained by Kate having a nap or a blackout, being just exhausted from the lugging the kids around, the travel and 5 late nights in a row.

I do not believe the PJ made anything of the statements in the files ... but internet gossip and innuendo certainly has.

I think it is disgusting in the way it has crept into the discussion on this forum in the speculative form it has.

[G-Unit]

The point being it's possible Madeleine was pushed or fell off the sofa whilst they were playing unattended. This was around the time David arrived and everyone knows they contradicted each other about that visit.

I find their account of that whole period strange. Three men walked up from the beach to play tennis. They all agree they did that, but what they did when they arrived is very diifficult to ascertain.

One says he went to the courts to see 'what was happening'. He can't remember what his two companions did.
Matthew decides to speak only for himself; "well I went back to the apartment, got the tennis gear and back onto the courts...........the other guys went to get their stuff."
Russell says he and Matthew went straight to the courts while David went off "to his apartment and I believe, erm, to Gerry and Kate’s apartment as well."   

So we're not sure what happened when they drew near to the Tapas entrance and they can't or won't tell us.
(all taken from their rog. statements)

[Mr Gray]

I find their account of that whole period strange. Three men walked up from the beach to play tennis. They all agree they did that, but what they did when they arrived is very diifficult to ascertain.

One says he went to the courts to see 'what was happening'. He can't remember what his two companions did.
Matthew decides to speak only for himself; "well I went back to the apartment, got the tennis gear and back onto the courts...........the other guys went to get their stuff."
Russell says he and Matthew went straight to the courts while David went off "to his apartment and I believe, erm, to Gerry and Kate’s apartment as well."   

So we're not sure what happened when they drew near to the Tapas entrance and they can't or won't tell us.
(all taken from their rog. statements)

None of us have any experience in witness, statements... As, I understand discrepancies are quite normal... Doesn't look to me as though either investigation has regarded it as, significant... Can't or wont tell us is your opinion

[pathfinder73]

I find their account of that whole period strange. Three men walked up from the beach to play tennis. They all agree they did that, but what they did when they arrived is very diifficult to ascertain.

One says he went to the courts to see 'what was happening'. He can't remember what his two companions did.
Matthew decides to speak only for himself; "well I went back to the apartment, got the tennis gear and back onto the courts...........the other guys went to get their stuff."
Russell says he and Matthew went straight to the courts while David went off "to his apartment and I believe, erm, to Gerry and Kate’s apartment as well."   

So we're not sure what happened when they drew near to the Tapas entrance and they can't or won't tell us.
(all taken from their rog. statements)

David doesn't want to talk about the reason why he visited. Kate said she had a shower at 18:30 but they said in their statements that time was kids bath time (normal daily routine which changes on the day Madeleine disappears - fancy that!).  He's very vague and says Gerry asked him to check on Kate? Why would Gerry want him to check on her and the kids? IMO IF something happened to Madeleine that is the time to investigate. Smithman knew were he was going to pass nearby wasteland.  Don't worry about the dogs because if he is revealed they are corroborated!

[Robittybob1]

David doesn't want to talk about the reason why he visited. Kate said she had a shower at 18:30 but they said in their statements that time was kids bath time (normal daily routine which changes on the day Madeleine disappears - fancy that!).  He's very vague and says Gerry asked him to check on Kate? Why would Gerry want him to check on her and the kids? IMO IF something happened to Madeleine that is the time to investigate. Smithman knew were he was going to pass nearby wasteland.  Don't worry about the dogs because if he is revealed they are corroborated!

Were the kids bathed that night? 

[pathfinder73]

According to them yes before Gerry left at 6pm but Fiona said Gerry told her at tennis that Kate was bathing them and getting them ready for bed at tennis so that connects to normal routine time.


"Gerry said, were just absolutely knackered and Kate was getting them bathed and ready for bed."
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/FIONA-PAYNE-ROGATORY.htm

This discrepancy is important!

[Robittybob1]

According to them yes before Gerry left at 6pm but Fiona said Gerry told her at tennis that Kate was bathing them and getting them ready for bed at tennis so that connects to normal routine time.


"Gerry said, were just absolutely knackered and Kate was getting them bathed and ready for bed."
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/FIONA-PAYNE-ROGATORY.htm

This discrepancy is important!

So Gerry says in his statement he bathed them but tells others Kate is bathing them.  So do we know if they really did get bathed that night?  For if Kate was left to bath them she was on her own. I tend to think they definitely were bathed, as later a towel used by Madeleine was used in the sniffer dog searches. 

So is it safe to say Kate dried them and knew which towel Madeleine used?

[pathfinder73]

David didn't remember Kate dressed in a towel so imo that didn't happen. Gerry said he was gone for 30 minutes 18:30-19:00 (he changed it months later so that means it's important haha). Anybody with an open mind should now see the real reason for that visit which he does not want to reveal!

[Vertigo Swirl]

David didn't remember Kate dressed in a towel so imo that didn't happen. Gerry said he was gone for 30 minutes 18:30-19:00 (he changed it months later so that means it's important haha). Anybody with an open mind should now see the real reason for that visit which he does not want to reveal!

What real reason is that?