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Offline Brietta

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1095 on: April 25, 2019, 10:00:37 AM »
It's unclear as yet whether the dogs used in the AJ Freund case were cadaver dogs or tracker dogs.
But, either way, the dogs were correct in as much as the boy appears to have left the property via the boot of his parents car.

Law enforcement officials used cell phone data to get the break they needed to find the body of 5-year old AJ Freund.  https://abc7chicago.com/how-did-crystal-lake-police-crack-the-case-of-aj-freund/5269269/

That really is an advancement in training ... dogs able to use cell phones ...
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1096 on: April 25, 2019, 10:07:52 AM »
I see ... not sure how much of a result that is if the cadaver dogs can't locate human remains and absolutely no idea why you think it appropriate to bring all the cases you do to the McCann board.

They would have a job doing so, in both cases the remains were buried several miles from the scenes of crime.

I think it's entirely appropriate to bring the cases to this thread for obvious reasons. The thread being named  'Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata' for one.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1097 on: April 25, 2019, 10:15:07 AM »
They would have a job doing so, in both cases the remains were buried several miles from the scenes of crime.

I think it's entirely appropriate to bring the cases to this thread for obvious reasons. The thread being named  'Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata' for one.
cadaver dogs are very relaible at finding cadavers....but they also seem to alert when there are no cadavers present

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1098 on: April 25, 2019, 10:17:57 AM »
cadaver dogs are very relaible at finding cadavers....but they also seem to alert when there are no cadavers present

They also alert where cadavers have previously been, & when they want their supper.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1099 on: April 25, 2019, 10:22:36 AM »
They also alert where cadavers have previously been, & when they want their supper.

That's the problem.. They may well alert when they've had enough ...and want to go home... That's why all alerts need corroboration

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1100 on: April 25, 2019, 10:27:40 AM »
That's the problem.. They may well alert when they've had enough ...and want to go home... That's why all alerts need corroboration

In the Watts case the alerts appear to be corroborated by the fact Chris Watts had murdered his wife & children.
In the AJ Freund case the scent dog alerts appear corroborated by the fact that the child hadn't left the property under his own steam, but instead, via the boot of his parents car.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1101 on: April 25, 2019, 10:29:34 AM »
That's the problem.. They may well alert when they've had enough ...and want to go home... That's why all alerts need corroboration
Corroboration in the form of a detailed confession is the quickest IMO.
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Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1102 on: April 25, 2019, 10:36:18 AM »
They also alert where cadavers have previously been, & when they want their supper.
My cadaver dog does not alert when he wants his supper.  He has a much more intelligent way of telling me to get off my rear end and cook for him.
What's up, old man?

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1103 on: April 25, 2019, 11:37:32 AM »
In the Watts case the alerts appear to be corroborated by the fact Chris Watts had murdered his wife & children.
In the AJ Freund case the scent dog alerts appear corroborated by the fact that the child hadn't left the property under his own steam, but instead, via the boot of his parents car.
Do you have a cite?
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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1104 on: April 25, 2019, 11:38:29 AM »
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1105 on: April 25, 2019, 12:24:39 PM »
For what?
Your last sentence, where did you get this apparent information from?
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1106 on: April 25, 2019, 12:25:50 PM »
My cadaver dog does not alert when he wants his supper.  He has a much more intelligent way of telling me to get off my rear end and cook for him.

Your I'd obviously  better trained..

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1107 on: April 25, 2019, 12:46:37 PM »
Your last sentence, where did you get this apparent information from?

The scent dog indicated to the boot of the parents car....

'Investigators in Crystal Lake, Illinois say they're focusing their search on the family's home. Police say K-9 teams have found no evidence of A.J. leaving the home, and that dogs picked up his scent in the trunk of his parents' car.'

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/andrew-freund-crystal-lake-illinois-desperate-search-for-missing-5-year-old/

His body was found 8-10 miles from his home. I think we can safely assume his body was transported by car.
I very much doubt he was carried by hand, taxi or teleport.
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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1108 on: April 25, 2019, 02:01:01 PM »
Did the dogs find human remains in either case?

Confessions have proved the dogs were correct in their cadaver scent alerts.  A well trained cadaver dog will alert to cadaver odour like Eddie did in Prout, Harron, Parker and others. Later confessions and body retrievals proved him right. This case will be no exception IMO!
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Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1109 on: April 25, 2019, 07:09:43 PM »
Confessions have proved the dogs were correct in their cadaver scent alerts.  A well trained cadaver dog will alert to cadaver odour like Eddie did in Prout, Harron, Parker and others. Later confessions and body retrievals proved him right. This case will be no exception IMO!
you are making the assumption that Kate or Gerry actually know the truth.  A person can't genuinely confess to something they don't know about. 
If Madeleine was dead can you you be certain they knew about it? If there had been another cadaver in the apartment why do you think Kate or Gerry knew about it?

Could Amaral have been applying the pressure to the wrong person?
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