Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata

[pathfinder73]

To know what the dog is thinking would be extremely difficult to determine.

I cannot comment on what the dogs think. However, from a forensic point of view and from confirmations of scientific testimonies, the dogs appear to be extremely exact. (Martin Grime)

[Robittybob1]

I cannot comment on what the dogs think. However, from a forensic point of view and from confirmations of scientific testimonies, the dogs appear to be extremely exact. (Martin Grime)

Is that all a quote from Martin Grime?  I'm not sure if exact is the right word.   The words "the dogs appear to be extremely exact" is a human thought.

[Mr Gray]

I cannot comment on what the dogs think. However, from a forensic point of view and from confirmations of scientific testimonies, the dogs appear to be extremely exact. (Martin Grime)

I've thought about this sort of statement and have had some thoughts.
A General will praise his soldiers
A senior police officer will praise his men

A dog handler will praise his dog

[G-Unit]

Well he could of course if Amaral had other intelligence indicating something happened behind the couch, and a bag was missing from the wardrobe and he had advised Grime of the theory.  When did Amaral first notice the bag was missing?

Are you seriously suggesting that there was a joint attempt by Amaral and Grime to frame the McCanns? I think you should keep such ideas to yourself as there's not a scrap of evidence to syggest such a thing.

[Robittybob1]

Are you seriously suggesting that there was a joint attempt by Amaral and Grime to frame the McCanns? I think you should keep such ideas to yourself as there's not a scrap of evidence to syggest such a thing.

I'm not suggesting that at all, but can you prove they didn't discuss the details prior to the search?

[Mr Gray]

Are you seriously suggesting that there was a joint attempt by Amaral and Grime to frame the McCanns? I think you should keep such ideas to yourself as there's not a scrap of evidence to syggest such a thing.

As I understand it's not possible to libel a police force so it is a possibility that cadaver odour was planted by members of the PJ to put pressure on the McCanns to confess...it's a possibility

It's also a possibility that a member of the police force had been in touch with a cadaver and innocently contaminated
5a

[G-Unit]

I'm not suggesting that at all, but can you prove they didn't discuss the details prior to the search?

Well it looked like it to me. Why on earth would I be interested in proving something didn't haopen? If you want to cast aspersions then you need to produce evidence suppoting them. Bear in mind an interpreter would have to be privy to this fantasy conversation. So, did Amaral and Grime meet before the searches were carried out?

[pathfinder73]

Is that all a quote from Martin Grime?  I'm not sure if exact is the right word.   The words "the dogs appear to be extremely exact" is a human thought.

'Can the dog mix up traces of human odours with others that are non-human''

I cannot comment on what the dogs think. However, from a forensic point of view and from confirmations of scientific testimonies, the dogs appear to be extremely exact. But, forensic confirmation is required in all cases so as to be included as proof. The CSI dog is trained using only human blood. And using a wide spectrum of donors to ensure that the dog does not individualize them.
EVRD used to be trained using swine (pigs) as their odour is the closest to that of humans. But most of the time, however, the dog was trained using the odour of a human cadaver. Operationally, the dog has ignored large amounts of animal remains/bones when locating human decomposition.

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES_RIGATORY.htm

[Mr Gray]

'Can the dog mix up traces of human odours with others that are non-human''

I cannot comment on what the dogs think. However, from a forensic point of view and from confirmations of scientific testimonies, the dogs appear to be extremely exact. But, forensic confirmation is required in all cases so as to be included as proof. The CSI dog is trained using only human blood. And using a wide spectrum of donors to ensure that the dog does not individualize them.
EVRD used to be trained using swine (pigs) as their odour is the closest to that of humans. But most of the time, however, the dog was trained using the odour of a human cadaver. Operationally, the dog has ignored large amounts of animal remains/bones when locating human decomposition.

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES_RIGATORY.htm

So Grime says here that forensic confirmation is required in all cases...but now  anecdotal witness statements will do

[pathfinder73]

Zhang Yingying: US man sentenced to life for Chinese student's murder - 19 July 2019
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49041642

CHICAGO (AP) — Prosecutors are building a case, partly on a bloody handprint and the responses of a cadaver-sniffing dog, that a former University of Illinois physics student killed a 26-year-old Chinese scholar in 2017 at his off-campus apartment.
In recent filings, prosecutors revealed more evidence that they say will help prove to jurors that Brendt Christensen kidnapped Yingying Zhang in Urbana, then killed her. Complicating their task is that Zhang’s body has never been found.
https://news.wttw.com/2019/02/07/bloody-handprint-among-evidence-chinese-scholar-s-case

[Robittybob1]

As I understand it's not possible to libel a police force so it is a possibility that cadaver odour was planted by members of the PJ to put pressure on the McCanns to confess...it's a possibility

It's also a possibility that a member of the police force had been in touch with a cadaver and innocently contaminated
5a

Both of those situations are covered in Grime's white paper http://eprints.staffs.ac.uk/4750/1/Forensic%20Canine%20Foundation%20.pdf

[Mr Gray]

Both of those situations are covered in Grime's white paper http://eprints.staffs.ac.uk/4750/1/Forensic%20Canine%20Foundation%20.pdf

They were covered by his statement in Luz...2007

[Robittybob1]

They were covered by his statement in Luz...2007

OK I know I read that somewhere recently.  Thanks D mate

[Mr Gray]

OK I know I read that somewhere recently.  Thanks D mate

Thanks mate...are we seeing a new era of co-operation and mutual respect....lets hope so

[Robittybob1]

Thanks mate...are we seeing a new era of co-operation and mutual respect....lets hope so

Early days yet.  But you know what I said.