Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata

[Robittybob1]

SIL can we have your latest opinion on cadaver dog's ability to discern odours?

[ShiningInLuz]

SIL can we have your latest opinion on cadaver dog's ability to discern odours?

Check my blog.

It's not on my priority list to do an update.

[Robittybob1]

Check my blog.

It's not on my priority list to do an update.

I do read your blog from time to time.  It is interesting, but what is the title to the section that covers this aspect.
https://shininginluz.wordpress.com/  is the menu.
https://shininginluz.wordpress.com/2019/02/04/madeleine-cadaver-dog-senses/  is the section.

"I have also checked on the ability of dogs, in general, to smell. Despite popular belief, scientific research shows dogs do NOT have a superior ability to smell than me."

Well do you think you could do this?  https://youtu.be/XPluctLY8Y4   "How Powerful Is a Dog's Nose? | Inside the Animal Mind | BBC Earth".  You are in the wrong game if you can.

[ShiningInLuz]

I do read your blog from time to time.  It is interesting, but what is the title to the section that covers this aspect.
https://shininginluz.wordpress.com/  is the menu.
https://shininginluz.wordpress.com/2019/02/04/madeleine-cadaver-dog-senses/  is the section.

"I have also checked on the ability of dogs, in general, to smell. Despite popular belief, scientific research shows dogs do NOT have a superior ability to smell than me."

Well do you think you could do this?  https://youtu.be/XPluctLY8Y4   "How Powerful Is a Dog's Nose? | Inside the Animal Mind | BBC Earth".  You are in the wrong game if you can.

I've made it clear your questions are not on my to-do list, so kindly cease and desist.

[Robittybob1]

I've made it clear your questions are not on my to-do list, so kindly cease and desist.

what you said was "It's not on my priority list to do an update".

The statement in question ""I have also checked on the ability of dogs, in general, to smell. Despite popular belief, scientific research shows dogs do NOT have a superior ability to smell than me."
My conclusion:  It was only an opinion at best.  OK.

[Eleanor]

No I don’t buy that. All you have to do is read what Martin Grime was saying at the time. He was quite clear!

Just think about it - who in there right mind would pay for the services of a dog that barks?!!!!!

The Tax Payers did for The Jersey Case.

[Mr Gray]

Because the intelligence gained saves money in the long run.  "Value for money" is a term he often talks about.

The report from Jersey was highly critical of the cost of grime...almost 100k.....for zero results

[barrier]

The report from Jersey was highly critical of the cost of grime...almost 100k.....for zero results

A mere snip when compared to SY costs and no result.

[Mr Gray]

A mere snip when compared to SY costs and no result.

You may be right..both a waste of money..like everyone else I would like to know the reason why Grange is continuing

The Jersey operation cost almost 7 million...but not one word of condemnation...so not a mere snip

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

You obviously haven't read Grimes latest white paper..
And who would pay for a dog that barked...the Americans

That's not opinion..it's fact

No. He still talks about corroborative evidence being required.

That’s an incredibly serious allegation you’re making against Martin Grime. You are accusing him of misleading a criminal investigation deliberately and for his own financial gain. Wow!!

[Mr Gray]

No. He still talks about corroborative evidence being required.

That’s an incredibly serious allegation you’re making against Martin Grime. You are accusing him of misleading a criminal investigation deliberately and for his own financial gain. Wow!!

Corroboration was forensic in  Luz...it's now anecdotal witness statements...I haven't accused grime of anything...
I'm quite careful in the use of words..

[Eleanor]

No. He still talks about corroborative evidence being required.

That’s an incredibly serious allegation you’re making against Martin Grime. You are accusing him of misleading a criminal investigation deliberately and for his own financial gain. Wow!!

This is not what Davel has said.

[Mr Gray]

No. He still talks about corroborative evidence being required.

That’s an incredibly serious allegation you’re making against Martin Grime. You are accusing him of misleading a criminal investigation deliberately and for his own financial gain. Wow!!

What I do see is based  on the so called evidence provided by Grimes dogs posters are accusing the mccans of covering up their daughters death and using her death for their own financial gain

[G-Unit]

'Can the dog mix up traces of human odours with others that are non-human''

I cannot comment on what the dogs think. However, from a forensic point of view and from confirmations of scientific testimonies, the dogs appear to be extremely exact. But, forensic confirmation is required in all cases so as to be included as proof. The CSI dog is trained using only human blood. And using a wide spectrum of donors to ensure that the dog does not individualize them.
EVRD used to be trained using swine (pigs) as their odour is the closest to that of humans. But most of the time, however, the dog was trained using the odour of a human cadaver. Operationally, the dog has ignored large amounts of animal remains/bones when locating human decomposition.

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES_RIGATORY.htm

I think that's the crux of the matter. The alerts are evidence, but can't be relied on as proving anything unless there's forensic confirmation.

[G-Unit]

My problem with Martin grime is that during the searches in luz he was ceasing to be a policeman and becoming a businessman. As a businessman he has a financial interest in promoting the alerts as valuable.....that to me provides a conflict of interest. Ive no doubt he believes in the ability of his dogs...but can we rule out confirmation bias.

You know nothing about the man but feel entitled to question his integrity. There's no evidence to suggest that finanual gain was his motivation. He served his term in the police and on retirement he offered his services to those who were willing to pay for them.

Mark Harrison quoted the costs charged by SYP for the dogs in 2007;

costs for the EVRD and CSI are available.
The daily rate for this dog team is 1000 Euros. Flight travel costs for handler and dogs could be 2750 Euros. Veterinary costs: U.K. and Portugal to comply with Pet Passports scheme 450 Euros. Accommodation, subsistence and vehicle transportation would incur extra charge.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARK_HARRISON.htm

They were never a cheap option, but if you want the best you have to pay for it.