Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata

[Robittybob1]

Nonsense. A cadaver dog and VRD are the same. E was for the Enhanced Training.

VRD might only look for humans, where as a "cadaver dog" it depends on who is describing the category

[Eleanor]

VRD might only look for humans, where as a "cadaver dog" it depends on who is describing the category

Cadaver Dogs don't need Enhanced Training.  And it was a title dreamed up by Martin Grime.  Eddie was the only one ever.

VDRs were used in Disaster Situations to find anyone Dead or Alive.  Preferably Alive.  And they did find and rescue some people.  I don't know if Eddie ever did.  That part of his life remains shrouded in mystery.

[Robittybob1]

This article is quite interesting "How can a dog sniff through concrete?"

I didn't know there were male and female  coconuts!

"In the Jersey case, parts of a child's body were found on Saturday. The remains are thought to date from the early 1980s. Police have yet to say whether they are male or female." http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/7263355.stm

Several sites say that an Enhanced Victim Recovery Dog  have been trained with the odour that comes from a human cadaver.   

[pathfinder73]

Enhanced Training in what?

The enhanced training of the dog involves the use of collection of 'Dead body scent' odour from corpses using remote technical equipment which does not contact. The dog has also been trained to identify 'dead body' scent contamination where there is no physically retrievable evidence, due to scent adhering to pervious material such as carpet or the upholstery in motor vehicles. Whereas there may be no retrievable evidence for court purposes this may well assist intelligence gathering in Major Crime investigations. (Martin Grime)

[misty]

The enhanced training of the dog involves the use of collection of 'Dead body scent' odour from corpses using remote technical equipment which does not contact. The dog has also been trained to identify 'dead body' scent contamination where there is no physically retrievable evidence, due to scent adhering to pervious material such as carpet or the upholstery in motor vehicles. Whereas there may be no retrievable evidence for court purposes this may well assist intelligence gathering in Major Crime investigations. (Martin Grime)

How was Eddie tested for such enhanced skills by an independent ACPO instructor?

[Robittybob1]

How was Eddie tested for such enhanced skills by an independent ACPO instructor?

It sounds like they had some special arrangement with Grime.

[misty]

It sounds like they had some special arrangement with Grime.

What - like Grime telling them he had jars containing pure cadaver odour & showing the Test Instructor Eddie locating the hidden jars?

[sadie]

This article is quite interesting "How can a dog sniff through concrete?"

I didn't know there were male and female  coconuts!

"In the Jersey case, parts of a child's body were found on Saturday. The remains are thought to date from the early 1980s. Police have yet to say whether they are male or female." http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/7263355.stm

Several sites say that an Enhanced Victim Recovery Dog  have been trained with the odour that comes from a human cadaver.

I have a feeling that it was reported that Eddie was only trained with human Cadaver Odour after going to America.  Please correct me if I am wrong.

Now to bed

Nigh Night all

[barrier]

I have a feeling that it was reported that Eddie was only trained with human Cadaver Odour after going to America.  Please correct me if I am wrong.

Now to bed

Nigh Night all

Its been said before that Grime went to America after the Luz trip,no one is able to produce any evidence to that effect.Grime was in Luz in August,the report written by Grime is dated August,in that report Grime tells us about the training in America with human cadaver,how did he go to America after Luz? but yet write a report dated before that?

[Mr Gray]

Its been said before that Grime went to America after the Luz trip,no one is able to produce any evidence to that effect.Grime was in Luz in August,the report written by Grime is dated August,in that report Grime tells us about the training in America with human cadaver,how did he go to America after Luz? but yet write a report dated before that?

Is it of any importance... IMO grime and his dogs were of little importance in Luz or Jersey. If we look at his CV he seems to have achieved very little

[barrier]

Is it of any importance

The same non/ importance that is given to anything else on here,but don't you think if things are to be posted some credence to the "fact" being posted ought to be attached.

[barrier]

To back up what I just said, from the files.

These terms of joining were elaborated and will be signed.

Portimao 23 August 2007

Eddie & Keela Martin Grime Report
August 2007

'Eddie' The Enhanced Victim Recovery Dog (E.V.R.D.) will search for and
locate human remains and body fluids including blood in any environment or
terrain. The initial training of the dog was conducted using human blood and
stil born decomposing piglets. The importance of this is that the dog is
introduced to the scent of a decomposing body NOT FOODSTUFF. This
ensures that the dog disregards the 'bacon sandwich' and 'kebab' etc that is
ever present in the background environment. Therefore the dog would
remain efficient searching for a cadaver in a café where the clientele were sat
eating bacon sandwiches. He has additionally trained exclusively using
human remains in the U.S.A. in association with the F.B.I. The enhanced
training of the dog has also involved the use of collection of 'cadaver scent'
odor from human corpses using remote technical equipment which does not
contact the subject.

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm

[barrier]

Is it of any importance... IMO grime and his dogs were of little importance in Luz or Jersey. If we look at his CV he seems to have achieved very little

Is it of any importance.

[Vertigo Swirl]

The dog alerts in this case are of zero importance imo, though others seem to believe they are akin to the word of the prophet.

[Mr Gray]

Is it of any importance.

No.. Because what is important is the evidence the dogs help find...it doesn't matter what claims are made for how brilliant they are... It's the evidence they find that counts