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Was the Liverpudlian dialect the source of some confusion?
« on: November 06, 2018, 07:51:39 PM »
Did the McCanns suspect it was a UK couple that had taken Madeleine?
"They have taken her" Who is they?  Was it a UK couple?

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Re: Was the Liverpudlian dialect the source of some confusion?
« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2018, 08:00:58 PM »
Did the McCanns suspect it was a UK coupe that had taken Madeleine?
"They have taken her" Who is they?  Was it a UK couple?

It could well mean just....someones taken her...its a liverpool peculiarity
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Re: Was the Liverpudlian dialect the source of some confusion?
« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2018, 08:01:56 PM »
Did the McCanns suspect it was a UK coupe that had taken Madeleine?
"They have taken her" Who is they?  Was it a UK couple?

Kate mentioned a couple, I believe;

During the conversation the mother told her that she did not understand why a couple had abducted her daughter.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/YVONNE-WARREN-MARTIN.htm
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Re: Was the Liverpudlian dialect the source of some confusion?
« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2018, 08:04:23 PM »
Kate mentioned a couple, I believe;

During the conversation the mother told her that she did not understand why a couple had abducted her daughter.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/YVONNE-WARREN-MARTIN.htm
A couple could be a UK couple too.
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Re: Was the Liverpudlian dialect the source of some confusion?
« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2018, 08:05:13 PM »
Kate mentioned a couple, I believe;

During the conversation the mother told her that she did not understand why a couple had abducted her daughter.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/YVONNE-WARREN-MARTIN.htm

not another potentially dodgy translated non verbatim statement
« Last Edit: November 07, 2018, 03:50:08 PM by John »
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Re: Was the Liverpudlian dialect the source of some confusion?
« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2018, 08:48:16 PM »
It could well mean just....someones taken her...its a liverpool peculiarity

I believe the actual words used at some point were;

'The f***ing b******s have taken her': Witnesses tell of Kate McCann's screams
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4468916/Algarve-resident-tells-car-sighting-near-Madeleine-McCann-apartment.html
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Re: Was the Liverpudlian dialect the source of some confusion?
« Reply #6 on: November 07, 2018, 08:08:42 AM »
Kate mentioned a couple, I believe;

During the conversation the mother told her that she did not understand why a couple had abducted her daughter.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/YVONNE-WARREN-MARTIN.htm

That could be if Yvonne assumed "they" meant a couple. I didn't realise until someone told me that in Liverpool some people say "they" when they mean person or persons unknown. A few Scottish friends do as well.

Using "they" is quite common anyway to get around the "he/she" dilemma  when the gender isn't known.
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Re: Was the Liverpudlian dialect the source of some confusion?
« Reply #7 on: November 07, 2018, 10:36:12 AM »
That could be if Yvonne assumed "they" meant a couple. I didn't realise until someone told me that in Liverpool some people say "they" when they mean person or persons unknown. A few Scottish friends do as well.

Using "they" is quite common anyway to get around the "he/she" dilemma  when the gender isn't known.

I'm a northerner and if I was using the speech of my youth I would have said 'Somebody's taken 'er'. If I said 'they've taken 'er' I would expect to be asked who I meant by 'they', because it suggests I have a culprit or culprits in mind.
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Re: Was the Liverpudlian dialect the source of some confusion?
« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2018, 10:51:54 AM »
I'm a northerner and if I was using the speech of my youth I would have said 'Somebody's taken 'er'. If I said 'they've taken 'er' I would expect to be asked who I meant by 'they', because it suggests I have a culprit or culprits in mind.

Kates from liverpool
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Re: Was the Liverpudlian dialect the source of some confusion?
« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2018, 10:55:07 AM »
I'm a northerner and if I was using the speech of my youth I would have said 'Somebody's taken 'er'. If I said 'they've taken 'er' I would expect to be asked who I meant by 'they', because it suggests I have a culprit or culprits in mind.
And from this we can deduce
a) Kate is not from your neck of the woods
b) Kate is not very precise in her use of pronouns
c) Kate believed at the moment she discovered Madeleine missing that more than one person was involved in taking her child

And this is all of vital import because...?
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Re: Was the Liverpudlian dialect the source of some confusion?
« Reply #10 on: November 07, 2018, 11:17:22 AM »
Kates from liverpool

I have no knowledge of Liverpudlians using 'they' as an alternative to 'someone'.
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Re: Was the Liverpudlian dialect the source of some confusion?
« Reply #11 on: November 07, 2018, 11:23:17 AM »
I have no knowledge of Liverpudlians using 'they' as an alternative to 'someone'.


Well "they" do use "they" here in my part of Scotland as an alternative to someone.
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Re: Was the Liverpudlian dialect the source of some confusion?
« Reply #12 on: November 07, 2018, 11:43:03 AM »
I have no knowledge of Liverpudlians using 'they' as an alternative to 'someone'.

I do.... And so do several other posters
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Re: Was the Liverpudlian dialect the source of some confusion?
« Reply #13 on: November 07, 2018, 11:50:37 AM »

Well "they" do use "they" here in my part of Scotland as an alternative to someone.

In what context, I wonder. If someone rang the police and said 'They've taken my car' wouldn't the police say 'Who has?'
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Re: Was the Liverpudlian dialect the source of some confusion?
« Reply #14 on: November 07, 2018, 11:55:48 AM »
In what context, I wonder. If someone rang the police and said 'They've taken my car' wouldn't the police say 'Who has?'

Perhaps not in Liverpool
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