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Offline The General

Re: Was the Liverpudlian dialect the source of some confusion?
« Reply #15 on: November 07, 2018, 12:04:34 PM »
I do.... And so do several other posters
I'm from Liverpool. If Kate has blurted out 'they've taken her' in a scouse accent, using base parlance, it would sound like 'theeve taken err', or even 'deeve taken err'.
Even with the veneer of middle class respectability, most scousers original accent will come to the fore when in a stressful situation. Probably be high pitched too, just to slip the self-deprecation in before one of you t***s have me off.
Edit: It would almost certainly be plural, as opposed to 'someone's' or 'he's / she's.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Was the Liverpudlian dialect the source of some confusion?
« Reply #16 on: November 07, 2018, 12:10:09 PM »
Perhaps not in Liverpool

Are you suggesting the police would either investigate or issue a crime number based on that conversation? What if the caller was referring to a finance company which had repossessed the car? Or their estranged partner and a friend? The police would look rather foolish then, wouldn't they?
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Online Davel

Re: Was the Liverpudlian dialect the source of some confusion?
« Reply #17 on: November 07, 2018, 12:11:53 PM »
Are you suggesting the police would either investigate or issue a crime number based on that conversation? What if the caller was referring to a finance company which had repossessed the car? Or their estranged partner and a friend? The police would look rather foolish then, wouldn't they?

Are you serious.... No.. The police do not issue a crime number based on one sentence... They ask a series of questions
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Was the Liverpudlian dialect the source of some confusion?
« Reply #18 on: November 07, 2018, 12:17:35 PM »
Are you serious.... No.. The police do not issue a crime number based on one sentence... They ask a series of questions

Beginning with 'Who are they'?
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Offline Faithlilly

Re: Was the Liverpudlian dialect the source of some confusion?
« Reply #19 on: November 07, 2018, 12:19:16 PM »
Can I just point out that Yvonne Martin said the mother mentioned a couple, not that she said ‘they’ ie more than one person.

I wish supporters would stop adding content to the official statements that isn’t there.
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Offline Carana

Re: Was the Liverpudlian dialect the source of some confusion?
« Reply #20 on: November 07, 2018, 12:44:59 PM »
Can I just point out that Yvonne Martin said the mother mentioned a couple, not that she said ‘they’ ie more than one person.

I wish supporters would stop adding content to the official statements that isn’t there.

As she wasn't asked to clarify, it's hard to know what she meant.
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Offline Faithlilly

Re: Was the Liverpudlian dialect the source of some confusion?
« Reply #21 on: November 07, 2018, 12:46:32 PM »
As she wasn't asked to clarify, it's hard to know what she meant.

Why should she be asked to clarify ? There is no ambiguity in what she said.
« Last Edit: November 07, 2018, 03:50:56 PM by John »
Moral Guilt
Detractors of the work of our British Police in bringing criminals to justice generally ignore the important distinction between moral proof and legal evidence of guilt. In not a few cases that are popularly classed with 'unsolved mysteries of crime,' the offender is known, but evidence is wanting. If, for example, in- a recent murder case of special notoriety and interest,* certain human remains had not been found in a cellar, a great crime would have been catalogued among `Police failures'; and yet, even without the evidence which sent the murderer to the gallows, the moral proof of his guilt would have been full and clear.
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Online Davel

Re: Was the Liverpudlian dialect the source of some confusion?
« Reply #22 on: November 07, 2018, 12:49:03 PM »
Beginning with 'Who are they'?
Not necessarily
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Offline jassi

Re: Was the Liverpudlian dialect the source of some confusion?
« Reply #23 on: November 07, 2018, 12:49:45 PM »
As she wasn't asked to clarify, it's hard to know what she meant.

What do you think a 'couple' might mean if not two people ?
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Re: Was the Liverpudlian dialect the source of some confusion?
« Reply #24 on: November 07, 2018, 01:11:58 PM »
Can I just point out that Yvonne Martin said the mother mentioned a couple, not that she said ‘they’ ie more than one person.

I wish supporters would stop adding content to the official statements that isn’t there.
Hearsay for a start.  Secondly, Who did she report this to?  In what language was her statement taken?  Where is the original transcript?  Let’s look at it in depth as this point is obviously key to craking the case wide open.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Was the Liverpudlian dialect the source of some confusion?
« Reply #25 on: November 07, 2018, 01:19:45 PM »
Hearsay for a start.  Secondly, Who did she report this to?  In what language was her statement taken?  Where is the original transcript?  Let’s look at it in depth as this point is obviously key to craking the case wide open.

At least it's an accurate representation of the statement, which didn't contain any reference to 'they'.
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Offline Carana

Re: Was the Liverpudlian dialect the source of some confusion?
« Reply #26 on: November 07, 2018, 01:59:23 PM »
What do you think a 'couple' might mean if not two people ?

What's a "couple"?

Two people who give the impression of having a romantic relationship?
More than one person?
A Liverpudlian expression using "they" which was misinterpreted?

How could Kate or anyone have specified that a "couple" had taken her?
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Offline Faithlilly

Re: Was the Liverpudlian dialect the source of some confusion?
« Reply #27 on: November 07, 2018, 02:02:31 PM »
What's a "couple"?

Two people who give the impression of having a romantic relationship?
More than one person?
A Liverpudlian expression using "they" which was misinterpreted?

How could Kate or anyone have specified that a "couple" had taken her?

A couple would suggest a man and woman.
« Last Edit: November 07, 2018, 03:51:14 PM by John »
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Detractors of the work of our British Police in bringing criminals to justice generally ignore the important distinction between moral proof and legal evidence of guilt. In not a few cases that are popularly classed with 'unsolved mysteries of crime,' the offender is known, but evidence is wanting. If, for example, in- a recent murder case of special notoriety and interest,* certain human remains had not been found in a cellar, a great crime would have been catalogued among `Police failures'; and yet, even without the evidence which sent the murderer to the gallows, the moral proof of his guilt would have been full and clear.
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Offline Carana

Re: Was the Liverpudlian dialect the source of some confusion?
« Reply #28 on: November 07, 2018, 02:04:34 PM »
A couple would suggest a man and woman.

Why?
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Re: Was the Liverpudlian dialect the source of some confusion?
« Reply #29 on: November 07, 2018, 03:08:00 PM »
At least it's an accurate representation of the statement, which didn't contain any reference to 'they'.
???
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