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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Was the Liverpudlian dialect the source of some confusion?
« Reply #75 on: November 08, 2018, 07:15:59 PM »
Well, I can only say that if you don't like the translation. have another one done and then compare and contrast.
What Id really need is access to the original tapes of David Payne speaking before being certain that is what he actually said before it was translated into Portuguese by the highly biased newspaper and then translated back again by the high biased translator.  8(>((

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Was the Liverpudlian dialect the source of some confusion?
« Reply #76 on: November 08, 2018, 07:19:16 PM »
Cites please.

Both events happened on 4 May 2007

Gerry was present with Kate when interviewed that day. Surely you knew?

At this moment, the third person, who was always near to the couple and the witness, moved the couple away from her and the three of them talked in whispers for some time.

After this, and leaving the couple behind him, he approached the witness and told her that the couple did not want to speak any more with her, nor with anyone else.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/YVONNE-WARREN-MARTIN.htm

The third person was David Payne.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Was the Liverpudlian dialect the source of some confusion?
« Reply #77 on: November 08, 2018, 07:21:01 PM »
Both events happened on 4 May 2007

Gerry was present with Kate when interviewed that day. Surely you knew?

At this moment, the third person, who was always near to the couple and the witness, moved the couple away from her and the three of them talked in whispers for some time.

After this, and leaving the couple behind him, he approached the witness and told her that the couple did not want to speak any more with her, nor with anyone else.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/YVONNE-WARREN-MARTIN.htm
That is not a cite for both Gerry and David not wanting Kate to be questioned alone.

Offline jassi

Re: Was the Liverpudlian dialect the source of some confusion?
« Reply #78 on: November 08, 2018, 07:21:43 PM »
What Id really need is access to the original tapes of David Payne speaking before being certain that is what he actually said before it was translated into Portuguese by the highly biased newspaper and then translated back again by the high biased translator.  8(>((

Doomed to be disappointed on that one, I think. Mind you, OG might have had access to them.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Was the Liverpudlian dialect the source of some confusion?
« Reply #79 on: November 08, 2018, 07:24:44 PM »
LOL, OK a highly biased Portuguese Newspaper article, translated by a highly biased McCnann sceptic.  Perfect.  Now the cite from YM with her direct quote expressing her suspicion the parents were involved please.

Aren't all newspapers biased and misleading? They did have a direct quote though. If a translation doesn't suit do your own;
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=portuguese+to+english&oq=portuguese+to+english&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.13319j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

If you open this link you can read everything Mrs Martin said;

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/YVONNE-WARREN-MARTIN.htm

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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Was the Liverpudlian dialect the source of some confusion?
« Reply #80 on: November 08, 2018, 07:27:46 PM »
That is not a cite for both Gerry and David not wanting Kate to be questioned alone.

Gerry wanted to be with her. He didn't want Kate to be interviewed alone or why insist on being present? David Payne didn't want them talking to YM or why move them away and put an end to it?
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Was the Liverpudlian dialect the source of some confusion?
« Reply #81 on: November 08, 2018, 07:44:49 PM »
Gerry wanted to be with her. He didn't want Kate to be interviewed alone or why insist on being present? David Payne didn't want them talking to YM or why move them away and put an end to it?

According to Mrs Martin the trigger for DP getting involved was;

During the conversation the mother told her that she did not understand why a couple had abducted her daughter.
However, the third individual overheard this conversation and interrupted Ms. Martin and took the McCann couple away from her.

This same individual came shortly afterwards to tell her that the couple did not want to talk to her any further and did not require her help
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/YVONNE-WARREN-MARTIN.htm
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Re: Was the Liverpudlian dialect the source of some confusion?
« Reply #82 on: November 08, 2018, 07:47:01 PM »
According to Mrs Martin the trigger for DP getting involved was;

During the conversation the mother told her that she did not understand why a couple had abducted her daughter.
However, the third individual overheard this conversation and interrupted Ms. Martin and took the McCann couple away from her.

This same individual came shortly afterwards to tell her that the couple did not want to talk to her any further and did not require her help
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/YVONNE-WARREN-MARTIN.htm
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Offline jassi

Re: Was the Liverpudlian dialect the source of some confusion?
« Reply #83 on: November 08, 2018, 07:52:59 PM »
If there is one topic that gets posters stirred up it is the Yvonne Martin story.

If only she'd brought a  dog along with her it would have ticked every box   @)(++(*
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Re: Was the Liverpudlian dialect the source of some confusion?
« Reply #84 on: November 08, 2018, 08:11:43 PM »
If only she'd brought a  dog along with her it would have ticked every box   @)(++(*
Would she have had to let the dog run loose for there didn't seem the possibility that Yvonne was going to be welcomed inside the apartment?
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Re: Was the Liverpudlian dialect the source of some confusion?
« Reply #85 on: November 09, 2018, 09:46:28 AM »
Would she have had to let the dog run loose for there didn't seem the possibility that Yvonne was going to be welcomed inside the apartment?

One might have assumed that Yvonne Martin was just trying to help.  It's what happened afterwards that put the tin hat on it.

An anonymous letter was a very grave error of judgement for a so called Professional.  And the veiled and unfounded accusation against David Payne didn't help.

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Re: Was the Liverpudlian dialect the source of some confusion?
« Reply #86 on: November 09, 2018, 11:24:56 AM »
One might have assumed that Yvonne Martin was just trying to help.  It's what happened afterwards that put the tin hat on it.

An anonymous letter was a very grave error of judgement for a so called Professional.  And the veiled and unfounded accusation against David Payne didn't help.
When the case gets solved then we will see who is right and wrong.
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Offline jassi

Re: Was the Liverpudlian dialect the source of some confusion?
« Reply #87 on: November 09, 2018, 11:26:22 AM »
When the case gets solved then we will see who is right and wrong.

I like your optimism
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Re: Was the Liverpudlian dialect the source of some confusion?
« Reply #88 on: November 09, 2018, 11:27:20 AM »
I like your optimism
or pessimism, take your pick.
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Re: Was the Liverpudlian dialect the source of some confusion?
« Reply #89 on: November 09, 2018, 12:04:10 PM »
One might have assumed that Yvonne Martin was just trying to help.  It's what happened afterwards that put the tin hat on it.

An anonymous letter was a very grave error of judgement for a so called Professional.  And the veiled and unfounded accusation against David Payne didn't help.

Mrs Martin thought she recognised someone she met that morning, but couldn't remember why. When small children disappear it's often due to family or friends. Just in case that's what had happened in Madeleine's case she contacted the police asking them to check the person's records. She did it anonymously because she was afraid of press intrusion. Given the hysteria in the press at the time I don't blame her.
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