Who killed Bambi ?

[Holly Goodhead]

... he said something like "Sheila's gone crazy, she has got a gun" - not very definite.

... whereas this was written much nearer to his actual police phone call and more accurate...

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/12/3f/2b/123f2b37b5663efc40a20ee959ceaeaf.jpg

Accurate?  The message taker was PC West 1990.  This was the officer who couldn't even record the time correctly from a digital clock:

26. PC West recorded the time of the appellant's call as 3.36 a.m. At trial it was accepted that the officer had misread a digital clock. The officer's contact with Mr Bonnett was recorded as being at 3.26 a.m. and it seems clear that the appellant's call must have been at 3.26 a.m. or very shortly before.

[Caroline]

Accurate?  The message taker was PC West 1990.  This was the officer who couldn't even record the time correctly from a digital clock:

26. PC West recorded the time of the appellant's call as 3.36 a.m. At trial it was accepted that the officer had misread a digital clock. The officer's contact with Mr Bonnett was recorded as being at 3.26 a.m. and it seems clear that the appellant's call must have been at 3.26 a.m. or very shortly before.

Bamber didn't dispute what he wrote at the time and now he even agrees with the time that West recorded.

[Holly Goodhead]

Bamber didn't dispute what he wrote at the time and now he even agrees with the time that West recorded.

Agreed he didn't dispute what he said at the time.  In fact when DS Jones was attempting to tie JB up in knots a month later JB referred DS Jones to his initial WS believing this to be the most accurate. 

Fact remains when relying on recall and in the absence of digital recording in terms of content and time its totally unreliable.

The fact JB has said this, that or the other years after the event is as good as useless.  If police officers are incapable of recording a time accurately at the time what hope for anyone else decades after the event? 

During JB's police interviews under caution DS Jones tells JB he knows he called JM before EP and that the police clock is ALWAYS accurate.  No one can say with any certainty what time the calls were made.  More importantly DS Jones once again misleads JB:

- DS Jones claimed during JB's police interviews that SC could not have shot herself twice - FALSE according to two eminent pathologists.

- DS Jones claimed during JB's police interviews that the police clock is ALWAYS accurate - FALSE according to other officers and more importantly recording an accurate time depends not only on the clock but also the message taker who manually recorded the time and we know PC West and Mr Bonnett recorded different times and one must be accurate and the other inaccurate by some 10 mins.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=296.0;attach=4080

What did Acting Sergeant John Stephen Holby Smith have to say about the accuracy of the clock?

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=170.0;attach=321

[Holly Goodhead]

And re-reading JB's WS he claims NB said:

"Sheilas gone crazy she has got a gun". 

[Holly Goodhead]

And who was the officer who turned up at JM's shared house unannounced to check on the accuracy of SB's clock?

When did the visit take place?  Who else was present?  And what else, if anything, took place during this visit?

312. In her evidence to the jury Susan Battersby was adamant that the time shown by her clock was 3.12 a.m. and that she had kept her clock approximately 10 minutes fast. The prosecution supported her evidence about keeping the clock fast by calling evidence from her boyfriend and also by evidence from a police officer who had been to check the timing on her clock at a later date without forewarning her. In cross-examination the fact that she had originally said that the time was 3.15 a.m. was put to her. She explained that she had been quite nervous when she made her first statement and had not then appreciated the importance of giving the time exactly. Later she had thought about it and she could picture in her mind the time as being 3.12 a.m. and she remained certain that that was the time shown on the clock.

[Caroline]

Agreed he didn't dispute what he said at the time.  In fact when DS Jones was attempting to tie JB up in knots a month later JB referred DS Jones to his initial WS believing this to be the most accurate. 

Fact remains when relying on recall and in the absence of digital recording in terms of content and time its totally unreliable.

The fact JB has said this, that or the other years after the event is as good as useless.  If police officers are incapable of recording a time accurately at the time what hope for anyone else decades after the event? 

During JB's police interviews under caution DS Jones tells JB he knows he called JM before EP and that the police clock is ALWAYS accurate.  No one can say with any certainty what time the calls were made.  More importantly DS Jones once again misleads JB:

- DS Jones claimed during JB's police interviews that SC could not have shot herself twice - FALSE according to two eminent pathologists.

- DS Jones claimed during JB's police interviews that the police clock is ALWAYS accurate - FALSE according to other officers and more importantly recording an accurate time depends not only on the clock but also the message taker who manually recorded the time and we know PC West and Mr Bonnett recorded different times and one must be accurate and the other inaccurate by some 10 mins.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=296.0;attach=4080

What did Acting Sergeant John Stephen Holby Smith have to say about the accuracy of the clock?

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=170.0;attach=321

But Bamber thought it was reliable, the reason he couldn't remember what he said the first time was because he wasn't relying on the memory of actual events, but a constructed story with no event memory so more difficult to accurately recall.

[Myster]

And who was the officer who turned up at JM's shared house unannounced to check on the accuracy of SB's clock?

When did the visit take place?  Who else was present?  And what else, if anything, took place during this visit?

312. In her evidence to the jury Susan Battersby was adamant that the time shown by her clock was 3.12 a.m. and that she had kept her clock approximately 10 minutes fast. The prosecution supported her evidence about keeping the clock fast by calling evidence from her boyfriend and also by evidence from a police officer who had been to check the timing on her clock at a later date without forewarning her. In cross-examination the fact that she had originally said that the time was 3.15 a.m. was put to her. She explained that she had been quite nervous when she made her first statement and had not then appreciated the importance of giving the time exactly. Later she had thought about it and she could picture in her mind the time as being 3.12 a.m. and she remained certain that that was the time shown on the clock.

None other than your favourite officer Stan the Man!... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3p6YeQ1djbM

In one of the books, I think.

For a moment I thought that read Pete In A Skirt... is she really a he?

[Caroline]

And who was the officer who turned up at JM's shared house unannounced to check on the accuracy of SB's clock?

When did the visit take place?  Who else was present?  And what else, if anything, took place during this visit?

312. In her evidence to the jury Susan Battersby was adamant that the time shown by her clock was 3.12 a.m. and that she had kept her clock approximately 10 minutes fast. The prosecution supported her evidence about keeping the clock fast by calling evidence from her boyfriend and also by evidence from a police officer who had been to check the timing on her clock at a later date without forewarning her. In cross-examination the fact that she had originally said that the time was 3.15 a.m. was put to her. She explained that she had been quite nervous when she made her first statement and had not then appreciated the importance of giving the time exactly. Later she had thought about it and she could picture in her mind the time as being 3.12 a.m. and she remained certain that that was the time shown on the clock.

Evn if she did say 3:15, it still makes the time of the cal to Julie BEFORE Bamber said that his father called.

[John]

Even if she did say 3:15, it still makes the time of the cal to Julie BEFORE Bamber said that his father called.

Even if we were to accept Jeremy's story at face value, it has one major flaw and that is that he found it necessary to speak to Julie before phoning the police.  It is far more likely in my view that having murdered five people in cold blood he needed to seek reassurance from a friendly voice ahead of that call to the police.

[APRIL]

Even if we were to accept Jeremy's story at face value, it has one major flaw and that is that he found it necessary to speak to Julie before phoning the police.  It is far more likely in my view that having murdered five people in cold blood he needed to seek reassurance from a friendly voice ahead of that call to the police.

But Julie's response -having been woken from sleep at silly o'clock- sounded anything but friendly. In fact it doesn't even come across that he wanted to hear her voice, as much as he wanted her to hear what he had to tell her.

[Angelo222]

But Julie's response -having been woken from sleep at silly o'clock- sounded anything but friendly. In fact it doesn't even come across that he wanted to hear her voice, as much as he wanted her to hear what he had to tell her.

He had to offload his guilt on someone.  Julie Mugford was placed in a difficult situation after that call, all sorts must have been going through her head when she realised Bamber was up to his neck in it.

[APRIL]

He had to offload his guilt on someone.  Julie Mugford was placed in a difficult situation after that call, all sorts must have been going through her head when she realised Bamber was up to his neck in it.

Or brag about his prowess, perhaps? According to Julie, it had been on the cards for some time -she probably had been dismissive of it, who wouldn't have been?- and it may have been an "I said I would" calls.

[Caroline]

Even if we were to accept Jeremy's story at face value, it has one major flaw and that is that he found it necessary to speak to Julie before phoning the police.  It is far more likely in my view that having murdered five people in cold blood he needed to seek reassurance from a friendly voice ahead of that call to the police.

I asked him who he called first and he told me he called the police first - the FACT that he still can't be honest should be a real big warning sign to anyone who thinks he's innocent.

[Holly Goodhead]

Evn if she did say 3:15, it still makes the time of the cal to Julie BEFORE Bamber said that his father called.

What evidence exists, if any, showing JB's claim of a call from NB came after JB called JM?

[Holly Goodhead]

Even if we were to accept Jeremy's story at face value, it has one major flaw and that is that he found it necessary to speak to Julie before phoning the police.  It is far more likely in my view that having murdered five people in cold blood he needed to seek reassurance from a friendly voice ahead of that call to the police.

What evidence exists, if any, showing JB's claim of a call from NB came after JB called JM?