Who killed Bambi ?

[Caroline]

'A' gun, being as he's not supposed to know which gun she has.

[APRIL]

Based on JB's early WS: "Sheilas gone crazy shes got the gun" what word could NB/JB substitute for "the"?

Why cause might Nevill have had to specify "the" gun unless he was alluding to "the" gun that Jeremy had left out? If that was the case and he was able to take time out to allegedly call Jeremy -at silly o'clock- to rub in what his laxity had caused, it seems that he didn't think there was anything to worry about.

[APRIL]

You're the one who brought up preferring evidence to hunches - but you use them yourself. We all do.

Hunches have to do with gut instinct, our internal early warning system. It's the first thing which kicks in before we analyse the facts. I feel certain, that for those with long experience in any field, it's something they have come to rely on. My guess is that, mostly, it stands us in good stead. However, nothing is 100% fail safe.

[Holly Goodhead]

You're the one who brought up preferring evidence to hunches - but you use them yourself. We all do.

Of course we do but hunches and theories posted on internet forums by a bunch of disparate people are unlikely to have any adverse effects on anyone.

[Holly Goodhead]

'A' gun being as he's not supposed to know which gun she has.

Definition of  'a'

a1
/ə,eɪ/Submit
determiner
determiner: a; determiner: an
1.
used when mentioning someone or something for the first time in a text or conversation.
"a man came out of the room"

Sheilas gone crazy shes got a gun - this imo would sound appropriate if WHF did not contain any guns

[Myster]

Of course we do but hunches and theories posted on internet forums by a bunch of disparate people are unlikely to have any adverse effects on anyone.

Shouldn't that read desperate?

[APRIL]

Definition of "the". "THE" is used to denote a person, place or object which is unique.

[Holly Goodhead]

Shouldn't that read desperate?

  

It was an opportunity to practice effects and affects!

[Holly Goodhead]

Definition of "the". "THE" is used to denote a person, place or object which is unique.

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"the Queen"
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denoting a disease or affliction.
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enough of (a particular thing).
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I think we are sounding desperate getting hung up on this!  But it also means as I've highlighted above.

1.  You and others don't believe such a tel call was made.
2.  For those that do believe the call was made we are only going on JB's recollection of a brief message at circa 3.15am taken after waking from sleeping like a log!
4.  If SC was going crazy and had 'the' gun NB may have jumbled his words
5.  We would need to know how NB and JB referred to the rifle.  Was it the main gun used around the farm for general purpose eg dispatching vermin?  If so it was no doubt referred to as 'the' gun.

[APRIL]

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the
/ðə,ðɪ,ðiː/Submit
determiner
determiner: the
1.
denoting one or more people or things already mentioned or assumed to be common knowledge.
"what's the matter?"
used to refer to a person, place, or thing that is unique.
"the Queen"
INFORMAL•ARCHAIC
denoting a disease or affliction.
"I've got the flu"
(with a unit of time) the present; the current.
"dish of the day"
INFORMAL
used instead of a possessive to refer to someone with whom the speaker or person addressed is associated.
"I'm meeting the boss"
used with a surname to refer to a family or married couple.
"the Johnsons were not wealthy"
used before the surname of the chief of a Scottish or Irish clan.
"the O'Donoghue"
2.
used to point forward to a following qualifying or defining clause or phrase.
"the fuss that he made of her"
(chiefly with rulers and family members with the same name) used after a name to qualify it.
"George the Sixth"
3.
used to make a generalized reference to something rather than identifying a particular instance.
"he taught himself to play the violin"
used with a singular noun to indicate that it represents a whole species or class.
"they placed the African elephant on their endangered list"
used with an adjective to refer to those people who are of the type described.
"the unemployed"
used with an adjective to refer to something of the class or quality described.
"they are trying to accomplish the impossible"
used with the name of a unit to state a rate.
"they can do 120 miles to the gallon"
4.
enough of (a particular thing).
"he hoped to publish monthly, if only he could find the money"
5.
(pronounced stressing ‘the’) used to indicate that someone or something is the best known or most important of that name or type.
"he was the hot young piano prospect in jazz"
6.
used adverbially with comparatives to indicate how one amount or degree of something varies in relation to another.
"the more she thought about it, the more devastating it became"
used to emphasize the amount or degree to which something is affected.
"commodities made all the more desirable by their rarity"



I think we are sounding desperate getting hung up on this!  But it also means as I've highlighted above.

1.  You and others don't believe such a tel call was made.
2.  For those that do believe the call was made we are only going on JB's recollection of a brief message at circa 3.15am taken after waking from sleeping like a log!
4.  If SC was going crazy and had 'the' gun NB may have jumbled his words
5.  We would need to know how NB and JB referred to the rifle.  Was it the main gun used around the farm for general purpose eg dispatching vermin?  If so it was no doubt referred to as 'the' gun.

I'm not entirely certain if the "we" you mention is the Royal or collective I am, however, totally certain of the sincerity of your belief in Jeremy's innocence and is the basis of the 5 points you make. The only established fact of which is point 1. Nothing can be established from the remaining 4.

[Holly Goodhead]

If DS Jones did nudge the case in the direction he thought it should go by way of fabricating the silencer and coercing JM's testimony (some nudge) was this done solely on the basis of noble cause corruption and/or was he offered financial inducements by for example Peter Eaton? 

According to AE's WS's an alarm was operating at WHF by Fri 9th Aug.  And on Sat 10th Aug all valuables and firearms had either been removed by relatives and accountant Basil Cock or hidden within WHF.  Therefore why was it deemed necessary for Chris Nevill and Peter Eaton to spend the night in CN's campervan at WHF on Sat 10th Aug ostensibly to prevent access?  Why not the night before when firearms and valuables were still at WHF?  Prior to this WHF was considered a soc and I assume the police were responsible for security and unlikely any would be burglars would chance their arm entering a high profile soc whether or not the police were present.   

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Did CN/PE actually spend the night of 9th Aug at WHF and if so did the pair rendezvous with DS Jones to fabricate the silencer/scratches?  Or was the silencer actually found on 11th Aug after a rendezvous on the evening of 10th Aug.

And what were Peter Eaton and DS Jones discussing into the small hours over a bottle of whisky on 12th Aug when the purpose of the meeting was simply for DS Jones to collect the silencer?

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[adam]

Nevill & Sheila both went to bed & slept.

Both got out of bed & went downstairs, barefooted in their pyjamas & nightdress.

It is likely Sheila would have gone downstairs first. This woke a sleeping Nevill but not June.

Nevill either thought it was Sheila or the twins downstairs, therefore would have stayed in bed. Or he thought it was an intruder, so would have put footwear on & armed himself.

Once both were downstairs, things got out of hand & Sheila picked up the rifle. Nevill rang Jeremy after Sheila had 'gone crazy' with it.

[Holly Goodhead]

Nevill & Sheila both went to bed & slept.

It would appear they both went to bed evidenced by indentations in pillows but we don't know whether or not either slept.

Both got out of bed & went downstairs, barefooted in their pyjamas & nightdress.

It appears they did get out of bed and went downstairs but the crucial aspect is when?  Yes they were found barefooted and in pyjamas and nightdress.

It is likely Sheila would have gone downstairs first. This woke a sleeping Nevill but not June.

Yes to the first part but it's also possible NB went downstairs for whatever reason(s) and woke SC who might have thought of an intruder so went to wake NB only to find him out of his bed so assumed it was him and went downstairs.  Anything is possible!  We do not know who was sleeping only that NB's pillow contained an indentation and June was shot initially with her head on the pillow evidenced by the tracks of her wounds and bullets in the pillow.

Nevill either thought it was Sheila or the twins downstairs, therefore would have stayed in bed. Or he thought it was an intruder, so would have put footwear on & armed himself.

Unlikely NB would have stayed in bed if he thought one or both of the 6 year old twins were downstairs alone.  If he thought it was an intruder all firearms were downstairs and unlikely he would keep outside shoes at the ready upstairs or even upstairs.  Slippers wouldn't really assist defending against intruders.

Once both were downstairs, things got out of hand & Sheila picked up the rifle. Nevill rang Jeremy after Sheila had 'gone crazy' with it.

According to JB NB didn't say SC had gone crazy with it - he said "Sheilas gone crazy shes got the gun".  This could mean anything any of us wish to turn our imagination to!

[Myster]

If DS Jones did nudge the case in the direction he thought it should go by way of fabricating the silencer and coercing JM's testimony (some nudge) was this done solely on the basis of noble cause corruption and/or was he offered financial inducements by for example Peter Eaton? 

According to AE's WS's an alarm was operating at WHF by Fri 9th Aug.  And on Sat 10th Aug all valuables and firearms had either been removed by relatives and accountant Basil Cock or hidden within WHF.  Therefore why was it deemed necessary for Chris Nevill and Peter Eaton to spend the night in CN's campervan at WHF on Sat 10th Aug ostensibly to prevent access?  Why not the night before when firearms and valuables were still at WHF?  Prior to this WHF was considered a soc and I assume the police were responsible for security and unlikely any would be burglars would chance their arm entering a high profile soc whether or not the police were present.   

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Did CN/PE actually spend the night of 9th Aug at WHF and if so did the pair rendezvous with DS Jones to fabricate the silencer/scratches?  Or was the silencer actually found on 11th Aug after a rendezvous on the evening of 10th Aug.

And what were Peter Eaton and DS Jones discussing into the small hours over a bottle of whisky on 12th Aug when the purpose of the meeting was simply for DS Jones to collect the silencer?

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3171.0;attach=3582

I don't know, I wasn't a fly on the wall at the time, just a pupa in my mother's eye, but they were probably debating the relative merits of Jack Daniel's compared to a mature Scottish Malt.

Chris Nevill was over from Australia, wasn't he?... so he could have hired a camper van to tour the area and beyond, and two men would be more effective than one at subduing a burglar.  Or they had a hunch that Jeremy might make a return visit to remove evidence seeing as they suspected him of mischief in the first place.  Why not Friday?  Police might have still been present then, or the family only had thoughts about being on site themselves after they realized how much valuable stuff was inside, but left it until the following day as they knew WHF was newly alarmed anyway.

[APRIL]

It would appear they both went to bed evidenced by indentations in pillows but we don't know whether or not either slept.

It appears they did get out of bed and went downstairs but the crucial aspect is when?  Yes they were found barefooted and in pyjamas and nightdress.

Yes to the first part but it's also possible NB went downstairs for whatever reason(s) and woke SC who might have thought of an intruder so went to wake NB only to find him out of his bed so assumed it was him and went downstairs.  Anything is possible!  We do not know who was sleeping only that NB's pillow contained an indentation and June was shot initially with her head on the pillow evidenced by the tracks of her wounds and bullets in the pillow.

Unlikely NB would have stayed in bed if he thought one or both of the 6 year old twins were downstairs alone.  If he thought it was an intruder all firearms were downstairs and unlikely he would keep outside shoes at the ready upstairs or even upstairs.  Slippers wouldn't really assist defending against intruders.

According to JB NB didn't say SC had gone crazy with it - he said "Sheilas gone crazy shes got the gun".  This could mean anything any of us wish to turn our imagination to!

Most of us, at some point, have probably allowed our imaginations to go into overdrive, but to quote Steve_uk, it all -like much else- comes down to, what is considered to be, a balance of probabilities.