Who killed Bambi ?

[Caroline]

Of course they don't no more than NB, or anyone else, is above being investigated. 

We've been through this many times.  It isn't illegal to grow opium poppies but what arouses suspicion is JB's claims of a "special licence" to grow them for the pharma industry.  So we only have JB's word about the licence but if he was BSing about this on morning of tragedy why didn't EP pick up on this and use it against him?  This would show he was jesting at an inappropriate time and moreover lying.

Local surveyor George Nicholls noted opium poppies on a valuation he compiled of WHF shortly before tragedy.

Dr Craig and Chief Sup Harris looked at the field on the morning of tragedy following JB's claims of a "special licence".

This is the whole point IF they were being grown for some illegal purpose who would suspect NB IF he told all those who needed to know eg JB, surveyor, farm workers they were being grown for pharma industry under a special licence?

There nothing to suggest NB didn't have a special licence.

[Holly Goodhead]

Here's a link to JB's Christmas blog:

https://jeremybamber.blogspot.com/

Blimey he sounds a bit defeatist in that 'it will soon be too late for me too!

[Holly Goodhead]

There nothing to suggest NB didn't have a special licence.

Yes there is.  We've been all over this previously including the history of opium grown in this country and there's no evidence the pharma industry was involved in cultivating opium poppies in this country until 21st century.  And even then it is the pharma company that receives the relevant authorisation not the farmer(s).

[Holly Goodhead]

Haha! heehee!! Hoho!!! Did you write that for him, Holly?

No     




I did really    I've posted the real McCoy up thread.

[Holly Goodhead]

All of which could have been checked at the time. However, Nevill's 'special licence' -or not, as the case may be- was unlikely to have been seen as having a link to the murder/suicide which was presently being dealt with. Incidentally, may it not have been possible that, because of Nevill's standing, a special licence was granted him ahead of those handed out more generally, later?

Yes you're right it could have been checked at the time when Dr Craig asked Chief Sup Harris if he was aware the farm had a 'special licence' for growing opium poppies for the pharma industry.  Did Chief Sup Harris make inquiries?  I haven't seen anything suggesting he did but that obviously doesn't mean he didn't.  But farmers don't need a special licence to grow opium poppies for the pharma industry - it is the pharma company that requires authorisation and it seems pharma companies didn't start cultivating opium poppies grown in this country until 21st century.

If NB was growing opium poppies for some illegal purpose it may well have featured in him mind when deciding whether or not to call the police for assistance.
 

[Caroline]

Yes you're right it could have been checked at the time when Dr Craig asked Chief Sup Harris if he was aware the farm had a 'special licence' for growing opium poppies for the pharma industry.  Did Chief Sup Harris make inquiries?  I haven't seen anything suggesting he did but that obviously doesn't mean he didn't.  But farmers don't need a special licence to grow opium poppies for the pharma industry - it is the pharma company that requires authorisation and it seems pharma companies didn't start cultivating opium poppies grown in this country until 21st century.

If NB was growing opium poppies for some illegal purpose it may well have featured in him mind when deciding whether or not to call the police for assistance.

So he's growing opium poppies for all to see in the daylight BUT, decides that he shouldn't call the police when his family (and himself) faces  alife/death situation because someone might see the poppies that he doesn't need a licence for anyway?

[Holly Goodhead]

So he's growing opium poppies for all to see in the daylight BUT, decides that he shouldn't call the police when his family (and himself) faces  alife/death situation because someone might see the poppies that he doesn't need a licence for anyway?

We've been over it all before on the following thread:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=7323.msg339197#msg339197

To recap:

- It isn't illegal for farmers or anyone to grow opium poppies in the UK and no one requires a 'special licence' to do so:
    - Legal uses (non-medicinal) include poppy seeds for bread and ornamental in gardens
    - Legal uses (medicinal) the pharma company requires authorisation/licence from Home Office to CULTIVATE the poppies for opium which as most will know is used legally for powerful pain killing drug morphine.
    - Illegal uses - opium to produce heroin

The whole story about opium poppies being grown for the pharma industry under 'special licence' is suspicious for the following reasons:

- A licence isn't required as explained above
- There's no evidence the pharma industry cultivated opium poppies in this country for legal drugs until 21st century
- Why wasn't JB challenged about his claims if it was a phony story?  DS Jones claimed JB chuckled with JM when she first arrived at BC ie inappropriate behaviour in his opinion.  Upon being told about the fate of his family the first thing JB apparently did was to go to the field growing the poppies, pick a bunch, carry them back to the yard and tell Dr Craig the farm had a special licence to grow them.  Dr Craig then asked Chief Sup Harris if he was aware the farm had a 'special licence' to which he answered 'no'.  The pair were obviously curious enough as they went to the field to take a look.  If JB was bs'ing then why not use against him as this would show he was acting oddly at the time and also lying.
- If NB was growing the poppies for some illegal purpose he would obviously fear not only the authorities eg police as they might not so readily accept the 'special licence' story but he would certainly fear drug barons who he may have been working with.  Others such as the surveyor who visited, farm workers, JB, June etc would no doubt accept the story.  Why not?
- We live in enlightened times relative to some 30 years ago.

[Holly Goodhead]

Another explanation might be NB seeing the Mr Bigs as untouchable in his role as magistrate may have agreed with the authorities a plan whereby NB works with a Mr Big on producing opium poppies which are then taken elsewhere for heroin production.  Once turned into something ready for the black market the authorities swoop taking out a complete chain. 

[Myster]

Help!!!!... Your sister (impersonal third-person) has gone crazy with the gun (i.e. your rifle)... please come over Gem, but whatever you do, don't amble over to the poppy field and give our little secret away!

Mark Alexander case, here I come!

[Holly Goodhead]

And I'm sober and don't read fiction...impressive huh?   

[Holly Goodhead]

Help!!!!... Your sister (impersonal third-person) has gone crazy with the gun (i.e. your rifle)... please come over Gem, but whatever you do, don't amble over to the poppy field and give our little secret away!

Mark Alexander case, here I come!

But according to JB, NB said "Sheilas gone crazy shes got the gun". 

JB may have been in on it or suspected and so got in quick with the 'special licence'.  If you recall I wrote to JB asking him about this and was told a man from the Min of Ag called and they were told the poppies would have to be grown a certain distance from roads and paths.  Unless JB and or other independently verified this individual it could have been anyone!

[Myster]

I don't know how many more times I have to keep posting this link... https://soundcloud.com/phil-garlic/tracks

[Myster]

I enjoyed your blog skit though!

[Holly Goodhead]

I don't know how many more times I have to keep posting this link... https://soundcloud.com/phil-garlic/tracks

I know but this was his recollection some 20 plus years after the event!  Imo his first WS takes precedence which corroborates with others who heard him recall his version of events that morning eg AE

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5631.0;attach=4566

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1053.0;attach=2189

[Myster]

I know but this was his recollection some 20 plus years after the event!  Imo his first WS takes precedence which corroborates with others who heard him recall his version of events that morning eg AE

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5631.0;attach=4566

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1053.0;attach=2189

... he said something like "Sheila's gone crazy, she has got a gun" - not very definite.

... whereas this was written much nearer to his actual police phone call and more accurate...

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/12/3f/2b/123f2b37b5663efc40a20ee959ceaeaf.jpg