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Offline John

Jeremy Bamber - Lead Detective Sgt Stan Jones has his say
« on: March 14, 2013, 02:06:32 AM »
The lead detective in the Jeremy Bamber case had his say on the case some time ago.

Former Detective Sgt Stan Jones rejects new evidence 'Bambi' went 'berserk' as farcical.

CLAIMS of vital new evidence that could clear Jeremy Bamber of five horrific murders have been dismissed by the former detective at the heart of the investigation as "farcical".

Bamber is reported to have uncovered a police phone log that he hopes will show he was innocent of the shooting deaths of five members of his family on August 7, 1985.



Bamber girlfriend Julie Mugford arrives at Court escorted by DS Stan Jones and colleague.


Reports in a national newspaper suggest the missing phone log shows Bamber's adoptive father Nevill, 61 – who died with his wife June, Bamber's adopted model sister Sheila "Bambi" Caffell and her six-year-old twin boys – called police at 3.26am to alert them that Sheila had gone berserk with a gun.

It was ten minutes ahead of Jeremy Bamber's call to the police station at Chelmsford – timed in a log at 3.36am – in which he said his father had called him and also claimed Sheila had gone berserk.

But former detective sergeant Stan Jones, a 30-year veteran of the force, said the note of the timing was a mistake and there was only one call.

"All this came out in the original Chelmsford Crown Court trial," he told the Chronicle. "It is irrelevant.

"The only person who telephoned the police was Jeremy Bamber. There is no way his father phoned. To suggest it is farcical," said Mr Jones, who still lives in the Maldon area.

Although the logs are said to have been uncovered by Bamber sorting through 100,000 pieces of paper in his cell at Full Sutton Prison near York, Mr Jones said that all the paperwork, including statements that were not used in the trial, were given to the defence.

The family died in White House Farm, Tolleshunt D'Arcy, in a massacre that has become notorious worldwide.

Bamber, now 50 and serving a whole life sentence, has always protested his innocence and says Sheila, who suffered from schizophrenia, was responsible.

New evidence is being examined by the Criminal Cases Review Commission to see whether there should be a third appeal after Bamber's conviction in 1986, but a decision is not expected for some time.

Mr Jones, now 71, said it came out at the trial that Jeremy had even telephoned his girlfriend Julie Mugford at around 3am – before the call to the police – to tell her "something had happened at the farm."

At first, police did think Sheila, 28, had carried out the shootings before turning the gun on herself.

But they switched the focus of the investigation a month later when Bamber's girlfriend Julie Mugford came forward with vital new information and told them Jeremy had discussed killing his family.

Mr Jones said he was always sceptical of Bamber's innocence and raised his concerns at a meeting of detectives.

"On the second day after the shooting I spoke out and said it was Bamber who did it. I was ostracised and (I) spent a month of hell.

"When I chatted to Bamber I didn't get the reaction of someone who had lost all his family. On the day of the discovery I was chatting to him at his home in Goldhanger when Julie turns up."

As the couple spoke he thought he heard Bamber laugh.

"I thought 'was that a laugh or a cough' and later she confirmed it was a laugh and Jeremy said 'what an actor I am'."

Mr Jones said: "I knew the family were not happy and I was not happy."

He took possession of what became vital evidence, a silencer found in a cupboard, on which he noticed red paint stains and blood.

Mr Jones said the red paint came front the home's mantelpiece where he noticed scratches on the underside, scratches which were later vital in Bamber's conviction.

In February this year, a forensic expert claimed new photographic evidence would clear Bamber.

During Bamber's trial the jury was shown a close-up image of the scratch marks allegedly made by a silencer fitted to a .22 Anschutz semi-automatic rifle.

Prosecution lawyers said the marks were made during a violent struggle between tenant farmer Nevill and Bamber.

However, the forensic expert's analysis of negatives of early images, some never used in evidence, found no trace of the scratch marks.

Bamber's expert claimed the photo shown to the jury was taken 34 days after the murders.

Sheila was found upstairs with the .22 gun with no silencer. She had been shot twice.

Mr Jones pointed out that her manicured fingernails were still intact, but the killer would have had to have reloaded the gun at least twice.

Sheila's blood was also found in the silencer, but it would have been impossible for her to shoot herself with it attached as she wouldn't have been able to reach the trigger.

Mr Jones said there was a pile of circumstantial evidence which eventually pushed the detectives to their conclusion.

"Bamber consistently presents material which has already been discussed and adjudicated on in court and appeal hearings.

"It seems wrong to me that he should be allowed an appeal on the recent things he has mentioned.

"On top of all this he causes upset to the Bamber relatives as a result of his continued claims."

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« Last Edit: March 14, 2013, 02:37:06 AM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline puglove

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Lead Detective Sgt Stan Jones has his say
« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2013, 01:57:24 PM »
Poor, brave June, though dreadfully injured, was obviously trying to crawl towards the boys before she was killed by the shot between her eyes (it would appear that she was slumped against the door before she died). Ralph, also shot and injured in the bedroom, made it downstairs, jammed his chair against the kitchen door and nearly reached the phone, but was badly beaten around the head and fell back into the chair. This could mean that there WAS an accomplice waiting in the kitchen, who never actually shot anyone - Bamber came downstairs and killed Ralph with the headshots.
Jeremy Bamber kicked Mike Tesko in the fanny.

Offline Angelo222

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Lead Detective Sgt Stan Jones has his say
« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2013, 02:32:31 PM »
That is a superb photo of Julie with her detective minders, she looks petrified.  Is that Stan with his protective arm around her?   Jackie must cringe every time she sees it.   @)(++(*
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

Offline puglove

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Lead Detective Sgt Stan Jones has his say
« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2013, 04:26:06 PM »
That is a superb photo of Julie with her detective minders, she looks petrified.  Is that Stan with his protective arm around her?   Jackie must cringe every time she sees it.   @)(++(*

She looks tense, but composed. And determined.
Jeremy Bamber kicked Mike Tesko in the fanny.

Offline Myster

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Lead Detective Sgt Stan Jones has his say
« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2013, 04:35:22 PM »
That is a superb photo of Julie with her detective minders, she looks petrified.  Is that Stan with his protective arm around her?   Jackie must cringe every time she sees it.   @)(++(*

She looks tense, but composed. And determined.

So that is Stan Jones after all !!!... no wonder he appears so pleased with himself, finally seeing results for his labour and persistence - looks like he's about to dance the Gay Gordons with Julie.

I thought it was Taff Jones at first, because he's not unlike the photo in Powell's book... large broad face, jaw and similar aquiline nose, 'till I realised he died months before the trial.

It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline Angelo222

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Lead Detective Sgt Stan Jones has his say
« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2013, 04:41:02 PM »
That is a superb photo of Julie with her detective minders, she looks petrified.  Is that Stan with his protective arm around her?   Jackie must cringe every time she sees it.   @)(++(*

She looks tense, but composed. And determined.

So that is Stan Jones after all !!!... no wonder he appears so pleased with himself, finally seeing results for his labour and persistence - looks like he's about to dance the Gay Gordons with Julie.

I thought it was Taff Jones at first, because he's not unlike the photo in Powell's book... large broad face, jaw and similar aquiline nose, 'till I realised he died months before the trial.

Yes, the poor soul fell off a ladder at his house and was fatally injured.  Mike Tesko and Lugg posted on the Bamber forum that it was all one big conspiracy to shut him up.  What a bunch of muppets.   @)(++(*
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

Offline Angelo222

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Lead Detective Sgt Stan Jones has his say
« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2013, 04:44:23 PM »
As a postscript to this all I can tell you that Stan made DI and even later Detective Superintendent before his retirement.  He was quite a guy.
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

Offline puglove

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Lead Detective Sgt Stan Jones has his say
« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2013, 04:53:21 PM »
That is a superb photo of Julie with her detective minders, she looks petrified.  Is that Stan with his protective arm around her?   Jackie must cringe every time she sees it.   @)(++(*

She looks tense, but composed. And determined.

So that is Stan Jones after all !!!... no wonder he appears so pleased with himself, finally seeing results for his labour and persistence - looks like he's about to dance the Gay Gordons with Julie.

I thought it was Taff Jones at first, because he's not unlike the photo in Powell's book... large broad face, jaw and similar aquiline nose, 'till I realised he died months before the trial.

Yes, the poor soul fell off a ladder at his house and was fatally injured.  Mike Tesko and Lugg posted on the Bamber forum that it was all one big conspiracy to shut him up.  What a bunch of muppets.   @)(++(*

Lugg posted that he knows people who can arrange "accidents" like Taff Jones'. Ooh er. I wonder if he meant Gav?   8)-)))
Jeremy Bamber kicked Mike Tesko in the fanny.

Offline puglove

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Lead Detective Sgt Stan Jones has his say
« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2013, 06:46:05 PM »
Poor, brave June, though dreadfully injured, was obviously trying to crawl towards the boys before she was killed by the shot between her eyes (it would appear that she was slumped against the door before she died). Ralph, also shot and injured in the bedroom, made it downstairs, jammed his chair against the kitchen door and nearly reached the phone, but was badly beaten around the head and fell back into the chair. This could mean that there WAS an accomplice waiting in the kitchen, who never actually shot anyone - Bamber came downstairs and killed Ralph with the headshots.

Sorry everyone, please bear with me while I think this through....

Ralph (injured) goes down the stairs (blood on wall), enters kitchen, blocks the door with the chair, nearly makes it to the phone (fingermarks on side, smudges on cupboards) but DOESN'T manage to pick up the receiver, because he is attacked. But Bamber has to cross the bedroom, go down the stairs, find that door blocked, go back upstairs and use a different way to the kitchen. Time enough for Ralph to make a phone call (which he doesn't.) So was someone else involved? And they were waiting in the kitchen because they were there to make the call to the cottage once Bamber had left? I'm only thinking this because of the position of the chair, against the door. It obviously wouldn't normally be in that position. And I wonder which officers (it would take 2) picked Ralph's body up when they disturbed it by bashing the door in, and put his head in the scuttle, and positioned the clothing and cushions to soak up the blood and stop everyone slipping in it?
Jeremy Bamber kicked Mike Tesko in the fanny.

Offline puglove

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Lead Detective Sgt Stan Jones has his say
« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2013, 06:59:24 PM »
Poor, brave June, though dreadfully injured, was obviously trying to crawl towards the boys before she was killed by the shot between her eyes (it would appear that she was slumped against the door before she died). Ralph, also shot and injured in the bedroom, made it downstairs, jammed his chair against the kitchen door and nearly reached the phone, but was badly beaten around the head and fell back into the chair. This could mean that there WAS an accomplice waiting in the kitchen, who never actually shot anyone - Bamber came downstairs and killed Ralph with the headshots.

Sorry everyone, please bear with me while I think this through....

Ralph (injured) goes down the stairs (blood on wall), enters kitchen, blocks the door with the chair, nearly makes it to the phone (fingermarks on side, smudges on cupboards) but DOESN'T manage to pick up the receiver, because he is attacked. But Bamber has to cross the bedroom, go down the stairs, find that door blocked, go back upstairs and use a different way to the kitchen. Time enough for Ralph to make a phone call (which he doesn't.) So was someone else involved? And they were waiting in the kitchen because they were there to make the call to the cottage once Bamber had left? I'm only thinking this because of the position of the chair, against the door. It obviously wouldn't normally be in that position. And I wonder which officers (it would take 2) picked Ralph's body up when they disturbed it by bashing the door in, and put his head in the scuttle, and positioned the clothing and cushions to soak up the blood and stop everyone slipping in it?

Blagh. I'm confused. Hopefully Myster will come on here soon and tell me I'm a complete idiot. Catch you all later.
Jeremy Bamber kicked Mike Tesko in the fanny.

Offline Myster

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Lead Detective Sgt Stan Jones has his say
« Reply #10 on: March 14, 2013, 07:03:55 PM »
Poor, brave June, though dreadfully injured, was obviously trying to crawl towards the boys before she was killed by the shot between her eyes (it would appear that she was slumped against the door before she died). Ralph, also shot and injured in the bedroom, made it downstairs, jammed his chair against the kitchen door and nearly reached the phone, but was badly beaten around the head and fell back into the chair. This could mean that there WAS an accomplice waiting in the kitchen, who never actually shot anyone - Bamber came downstairs and killed Ralph with the headshots.

Sorry everyone, please bear with me while I think this through....

Ralph (injured) goes down the stairs (blood on wall), enters kitchen, blocks the door with the chair, nearly makes it to the phone (fingermarks on side, smudges on cupboards) but DOESN'T manage to pick up the receiver, because he is attacked. But Bamber has to cross the bedroom, go down the stairs, find that door blocked, go back upstairs and use a different way to the kitchen. Time enough for Ralph to make a phone call (which he doesn't.) So was someone else involved? And they were waiting in the kitchen because they were there to make the call to the cottage once Bamber had left? I'm only thinking this because of the position of the chair, against the door. It obviously wouldn't normally be in that position. And I wonder which officers (it would take 2) picked Ralph's body up when they disturbed it by bashing the door in, and put his head in the scuttle, and positioned the clothing and cushions to soak up the blood and stop everyone slipping in it?

Blagh. I'm confused. Hopefully Myster will come on here soon and tell me I'm a complete idiot. Catch you all later.

Where did you get the idea that a chair was jammed against the door?... and which door do you mean?
The one between back vestibule and kitchen that Tesko has been making such a fuss about, or one between kitchen and main hall?

It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline goatboy

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Lead Detective Sgt Stan Jones has his say
« Reply #11 on: March 14, 2013, 07:24:33 PM »
On the blue forum they also allege that Stan and Julie were having an affair. I'm sure there is plenty of evidence to support this. Perhaps Mike is sitting on it and will reveal it at the right time?

Personally , I think if that is Stan Jones in the picture I would be very surprised if Julie was attracted to him.

Offline John

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Lead Detective Sgt Stan Jones has his say
« Reply #12 on: March 14, 2013, 07:29:09 PM »
I didn't notice this before but there is a second chair right in front of the door which leads to the hall and thence to the back door.

A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline puglove

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Lead Detective Sgt Stan Jones has his say
« Reply #13 on: March 14, 2013, 07:33:10 PM »
Poor, brave June, though dreadfully injured, was obviously trying to crawl towards the boys before she was killed by the shot between her eyes (it would appear that she was slumped against the door before she died). Ralph, also shot and injured in the bedroom, made it downstairs, jammed his chair against the kitchen door and nearly reached the phone, but was badly beaten around the head and fell back into the chair. This could mean that there WAS an accomplice waiting in the kitchen, who never actually shot anyone - Bamber came downstairs and killed Ralph with the headshots.

Sorry everyone, please bear with me while I think this through....

Ralph (injured) goes down the stairs (blood on wall), enters kitchen, blocks the door with the chair, nearly makes it to the phone (fingermarks on side, smudges on cupboards) but DOESN'T manage to pick up the receiver, because he is attacked. But Bamber has to cross the bedroom, go down the stairs, find that door blocked, go back upstairs and use a different way to the kitchen. Time enough for Ralph to make a phone call (which he doesn't.) So was someone else involved? And they were waiting in the kitchen because they were there to make the call to the cottage once Bamber had left? I'm only thinking this because of the position of the chair, against the door. It obviously wouldn't normally be in that position. And I wonder which officers (it would take 2) picked Ralph's body up when they disturbed it by bashing the door in, and put his head in the scuttle, and positioned the clothing and cushions to soak up the blood and stop everyone slipping in it?

Blagh. I'm confused. Hopefully Myster will come on here soon and tell me I'm a complete idiot. Catch you all later.

Where did you get the idea that a chair was jammed against the door?... and which door do you mean?
The one between back vestibule and kitchen that Tesko has been making such a fuss about, or one between kitchen and main hall?

The chair that Ralph died in, jammed against the door that had to be broken down to gain entry to the kitchen, causing Ralph's body to fall to the floor and blood to flow from his headwounds? I'm guessing the chair with the cushions on. Does this work?
Jeremy Bamber kicked Mike Tesko in the fanny.

Offline Outlook

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Lead Detective Sgt Stan Jones has his say
« Reply #14 on: March 14, 2013, 07:34:13 PM »
No this is not correct.  Check the plans of the downstairs.  The AGA (and poor Mr Bamber) is against the back door into the kitchen not the hallway door.  The police had to force their way in past Mr Bamber.

I mean the earlier posting, not yours Shona, sorry.