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Offline Gertrude

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #30 on: November 25, 2018, 11:10:46 AM »
The Sun isn’t reporting that woke and wandered is what happened, only that the Met are considering it as a possibility, something that “someone” in Portugal divulged to them.

Divulged..or made up? How could we ever know with anonymous sources, I suspect it's the latter.

Offline Faithlilly

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #31 on: November 25, 2018, 11:11:10 AM »
Eh?  Explain how that works.

Perhaps not. I mean how are you going to explain how the window and shutter were open if Madeleine woke and wandered ?

Or are things really that desperate?
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Robert Anderson

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Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #32 on: November 25, 2018, 11:15:32 AM »
Perhaps not. I mean how are you going to explain how the window and shutter were open if Madeleine woke and wandered ?

Or are things really that desperate?
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Offline Faithlilly

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #33 on: November 25, 2018, 11:21:41 AM »
Only in your mind dear, only in your mind.

Well if the investigation are looking at woke and wandered they can’t possibly believe that the window and shutters were open, can they  and how can that possibly be positive for the parents ?
Moral Guilt
Detractors of the work of our British Police in bringing criminals to justice generally ignore the important distinction between moral proof and legal evidence of guilt. In not a few cases that are popularly classed with 'unsolved mysteries of crime,' the offender is known, but evidence is wanting. If, for example, in- a recent murder case of special notoriety and interest,* certain human remains had not been found in a cellar, a great crime would have been catalogued among `Police failures'; and yet, even without the evidence which sent the murderer to the gallows, the moral proof of his guilt would have been full and clear.
Robert Anderson

Online Vertigo Swirl

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #34 on: November 25, 2018, 11:33:35 AM »
Well if the investigation are looking at woke and wandered they can’t possibly believe that the window and shutters were open, can they  and how can that possibly be positive for the parents ?
How can it possibly be negative for them either?  Do you think they are going to be arrested for it?
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Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #35 on: November 25, 2018, 11:40:03 AM »
Well if the investigation are looking at woke and wandered they can’t possibly believe that the window and shutters were open, can they  and how can that possibly be positive for the parents ?


If a burglar opened the shutter and windows from outside, causing Madeleine to wake and flee she wouldn't have fled via the front door because that was heading towards the perpetrators. If she fled out of the patio doors then her mother was wrong; she did close the gates behind herself. Assuming that Kate was correct when she said both gates were closed when she arrived. So why did the children's bedroom door move between 8.30 and 9.05? Why did it move again between 9.05 and 9.30?
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Online Vertigo Swirl

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #36 on: November 25, 2018, 11:44:19 AM »

If a burglar opened the shutter and windows from outside, causing Madeleine to wake and flee she wouldn't have fled via the front door because that was heading towards the perpetrators. If she fled out of the patio doors then her mother was wrong; she did close the gates behind herself. Assuming that Kate was correct when she said both gates were closed when she arrived. So why did the children's bedroom door move between 8.30 and 9.05? Why did it move again between 9.05 and 9.30?
Who said she would have fled?  What if the window was opened with the view to calling to the child, to come look at a puppy?
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Offline Faithlilly

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #37 on: November 25, 2018, 11:44:35 AM »
How can it possibly be negative for them either?  Do you think they are going to be arrested for it?

The whole premise of the abduction theory is that Madeleine wouldn’t be able to open the shutters and window by herself so if SY/PJ investigation believe she woke and wandered how do the parents explain the open window and shutters ?
Moral Guilt
Detractors of the work of our British Police in bringing criminals to justice generally ignore the important distinction between moral proof and legal evidence of guilt. In not a few cases that are popularly classed with 'unsolved mysteries of crime,' the offender is known, but evidence is wanting. If, for example, in- a recent murder case of special notoriety and interest,* certain human remains had not been found in a cellar, a great crime would have been catalogued among `Police failures'; and yet, even without the evidence which sent the murderer to the gallows, the moral proof of his guilt would have been full and clear.
Robert Anderson

Offline Faithlilly

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #38 on: November 25, 2018, 11:45:42 AM »
Who said she would have fled?  What if the window was opened with the view to calling to the child, to come look at a puppy?

But that wouldn’t be woke and wandered, which we are told is one of the theories the investigation is looking at.
Moral Guilt
Detractors of the work of our British Police in bringing criminals to justice generally ignore the important distinction between moral proof and legal evidence of guilt. In not a few cases that are popularly classed with 'unsolved mysteries of crime,' the offender is known, but evidence is wanting. If, for example, in- a recent murder case of special notoriety and interest,* certain human remains had not been found in a cellar, a great crime would have been catalogued among `Police failures'; and yet, even without the evidence which sent the murderer to the gallows, the moral proof of his guilt would have been full and clear.
Robert Anderson

Online Vertigo Swirl

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #39 on: November 25, 2018, 11:46:49 AM »
But that wouldn’t be woke and wandered, which we are told is one of the theories the investigation is looking at.
Why wouldn't it be?  It would be Madeleine leaving the apartment of her own free will.
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Offline Faithlilly

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #40 on: November 25, 2018, 11:49:40 AM »
The Sun report is, I’m sure, rather problematic for the average supporter.

It does provide information, via an unnamed source, that the parents aren’t being looked at as participants in their daughter’s disappearance but on the other hand if the report is true then the parents couldn’t have been telling the truth about the window/shutter being open.

Mmmm.....!
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Detractors of the work of our British Police in bringing criminals to justice generally ignore the important distinction between moral proof and legal evidence of guilt. In not a few cases that are popularly classed with 'unsolved mysteries of crime,' the offender is known, but evidence is wanting. If, for example, in- a recent murder case of special notoriety and interest,* certain human remains had not been found in a cellar, a great crime would have been catalogued among `Police failures'; and yet, even without the evidence which sent the murderer to the gallows, the moral proof of his guilt would have been full and clear.
Robert Anderson

Online Vertigo Swirl

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #41 on: November 25, 2018, 11:54:03 AM »
The Sun report is, I’m sure, rather problematic for the average supporter.

It does provide information, via an unnamed source, that the parents aren’t being looked at as participants in their daughter’s disappearance but on the other hand if the report is true then the parents couldn’t have been telling the truth about the window/shutter being open.

Mmmm.....!
Yeah, you know I'm really gonna lose sleep about this.  On the other hand:
The Sun report, is, I'm sure, rather problematic for the average "The parents threw the body in a bin" supporter, seeing as how it makes clear via an unnamed source that the parents aren't being looked at as participants in their daughter's disappearance and the dogs were clearing barking up the wrong cadaver.

Mmmm....!
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David Baddiel

Offline Faithlilly

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #42 on: November 25, 2018, 11:54:22 AM »
Why wouldn't it be?  It would be Madeleine leaving the apartment of her own free will.

This is what the Sun says.

‘The Sun on Sunday can reveal one of these revolves around three-year-old Madeleine waking up and wandering out of the villa in Praia da Luz, Portugal.

Detectives from Operation Grange — the Met Police’s probe into her 2007 disappearance — discussed the theory recently with Portuguese police.

Cops there had previously explored whether Madeleine was searching for her parents, who were at a nearby tapas bar.

She may have been knocked down by a drink driver, they speculated, who put her body in the car and later buried it.’

Where does it say that they are looking at the theory that she may have been tempted away from the apartment with promises of a puppy?
Moral Guilt
Detractors of the work of our British Police in bringing criminals to justice generally ignore the important distinction between moral proof and legal evidence of guilt. In not a few cases that are popularly classed with 'unsolved mysteries of crime,' the offender is known, but evidence is wanting. If, for example, in- a recent murder case of special notoriety and interest,* certain human remains had not been found in a cellar, a great crime would have been catalogued among `Police failures'; and yet, even without the evidence which sent the murderer to the gallows, the moral proof of his guilt would have been full and clear.
Robert Anderson

Offline Faithlilly

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #43 on: November 25, 2018, 11:56:03 AM »
Yeah, you know I'm really gonna lose sleep about this.  On the other hand:
The Sun report, is, I'm sure, rather problematic for the average "The parents threw the body in a bin" supporter, seeing as how it makes clear via an unnamed source that the parents aren't being looked at as participants in their daughter's disappearance and the dogs were clearing barking up the wrong cadaver.

Mmmm....!

It’s a step closer to leaving the apartment to find her parents and having an accident though.
Moral Guilt
Detractors of the work of our British Police in bringing criminals to justice generally ignore the important distinction between moral proof and legal evidence of guilt. In not a few cases that are popularly classed with 'unsolved mysteries of crime,' the offender is known, but evidence is wanting. If, for example, in- a recent murder case of special notoriety and interest,* certain human remains had not been found in a cellar, a great crime would have been catalogued among `Police failures'; and yet, even without the evidence which sent the murderer to the gallows, the moral proof of his guilt would have been full and clear.
Robert Anderson

Online Vertigo Swirl

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #44 on: November 25, 2018, 11:57:18 AM »
This is what the Sun says.

‘The Sun on Sunday can reveal one of these revolves around three-year-old Madeleine waking up and wandering out of the villa in Praia da Luz, Portugal.

Detectives from Operation Grange — the Met Police’s probe into her 2007 disappearance — discussed the theory recently with Portuguese police.

Cops there had previously explored whether Madeleine was searching for her parents, who were at a nearby tapas bar.

She may have been knocked down by a drink driver, they speculated, who put her body in the car and later buried it.’

Where does it say that they are looking at the theory that she may have been tempted away from the apartment with promises of a puppy?
Interesting use of tense there:

Cops there had previously explored whether Madeleine was searching for her parents, who were at a nearby tapas bar.

She may have been knocked down by a drink driver, they speculated, who put her body in the car and later buried it.’

So what were they discussing more recently, if not that..?
"Oh dear. Madeleine McCann trending. That's twitterspeak for 'And now, the absolute worst of humanity.'" -
David Baddiel