Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.

[Robittybob1]

The problem is some posters read posts in isolation and not in context... Therein lies the problem...

Here's how I think it should read (still not perfect) IMO.

"Not quite, Sandra suggests to them they don't believe that Madeleine would not be able to [leave the apartment on her own]. KM describes how she found the apartment and suggests Madeline wouldn't leave it like it [was found] and leave [on her own].  GM even suggests in theory it is possible to leave of her own accord.

[barrier]

Here's how I think it should read (still not perfect) IMO.

"Not quite, Sandra suggests to them they don't believe that Madeleine would not be able to [leave the apartment on her own]. KM describes how she found the apartment and suggests Madeline wouldn't leave it like it [was found] and leave [on her own].  GM even suggests in theory it is possible to leave of her own accord.

Does it matter Rob,we've all woken up and the rest of the day is a bonus,if you can keep doing that you've pretty much got it licked.

[Robittybob1]

"SF   Did it ever cross your mind, Madeleine wouldn't be able to cross the door just looking after you, alone?"

What is Sandra saying - that there was a chance Madeleine would not be able to open the door?
If Madeleine wasn't able to open the door where would she be found?

I feel that if the Secondary entrance door had been closed to stop outsiders coming into the Tapas area Madeleine would be stuck on the wrong side of the door.
There was not only the door of the apartment to handle but the one at the Secondary Reception as well if for any reason it was closed.

[barrier]

"SF   Did it ever cross your mind, Madeleine wouldn't be able to cross the door just looking after you, alone?"

I think that KM and GM understood the meaning of her question as can be seen by their answers.

[Sunny]

The problem is some posters read posts in isolation and not in context... Therein lies the problem...

Please could some posters refrain from constant criticism of other posters.  There is no need to criticise the poster only the post IMO.  =

[Mr Gray]

Please could some posters refrain from constant criticism of other posters.  There is no need to criticise the poster only the post IMO.  =

Do you realise you are criticising my post... Doing exactly what you suggest should not be done ...lol

[Sunny]

Do you realise you are criticising my post... Doing exactly what you suggest should not be done ...lol

Perhaps you could tell me how I could make my point without doing that?  My point still stands.

[Robittybob1]

I think that KM and GM understood the meaning of her question as can be seen by their answers.

If she was unable to open the doors would she try the window?  Is that it?

[barrier]

If she was unable to open the doors would she try the window?  Is that it?

Davel as just pointed out about context,English in the interviewee's second language,imo she means just what she says that "wouldn't Madeleine be able to go looking for them".

[Mr Gray]

Davel as just pointed out about context,English in the interviewee's second language,imo she means just what she says that "wouldn't Madeleine be able to go looking for them".

Thanks Barrier... I was trying to make a genuine point... Anything to make the forum run smoother

[Robittybob1]

Davel as just pointed out about context,English in the interviewee's second language,imo she means just what she says that "wouldn't Madeleine be able to go looking for them".

Yet the translation transcript gives us a more confusing statement ""SF   Did it ever cross your mind, Madeleine wouldn't be able to cross the door just looking after you, alone?"

Yet to me it seems that she is asking a different question "Did it ever cross your mind" or "did you ever think" "Madeleine wouldn't be capable of using the doors on her own in order to come looking for you?"

Plenty of discussion on the forum over the years as to whether Madeleine had enough height , weight, strength etc to be able to open the doors and or gates on her own.

In fact it was a question being asked and your translation is not a question. "wouldn't Madeleine be able to go looking for them"  has to become something else as it has to be phrased as a question.

Being able to wake and wander is dependent on Madeleine being able to open a door in the first instance. 

If she can't open a door would she resort to opening the window and the shutters?

I imagine a 4 year old being able to be trained in how to open the shutters but there has been no such training given to Madeline AFAIK.

[Miss Taken Identity]

Yet the translation transcript gives us a more confusing statement ""SF   Did it ever cross your mind, Madeleine wouldn't be able to cross the door just looking after you, alone?"

Yet to me it seems that she is asking a different question "Did it ever cross your mind" or "did you ever think" "Madeleine wouldn't be capable of using the doors on her own in order to come looking for you?"

Plenty of discussion on the forum over the years as to whether Madeleine had enough height , weight, strength etc to be able to open the doors and or gates on her own.

In fact it was a question being asked and your translation is not a question. "wouldn't Madeleine be able to go looking for them"  has to become something else as it has to be phrased as a question.

Being able to wake and wander is dependent on Madeleine being able to open a door in the first instance. 

If she can't open a door would she resort to opening the window and the shutters?

I imagine a 4 year old being able to be trained in how to open the shutters but there has been no such training given to Madeline AFAIK.

oh I am  sure I have no idea where this converstion is going...

Let us look at what Kate said about the window and the unlocked door,

Kate said she left the door unlocked, now why did she leave the door unlocked if not to allow her daugher to get out?
What if there was a fire? saying you left a door unlocked makes it sound you had thought of that, but did they?

[barrier]

Yet the translation transcript gives us a more confusing statement ""SF   Did it ever cross your mind, Madeleine wouldn't be able to cross the door just looking after you, alone?"

Yet to me it seems that she is asking a different question "Did it ever cross your mind" or "did you ever think" "Madeleine wouldn't be capable of using the doors on her own in order to come looking for you?"

Plenty of discussion on the forum over the years as to whether Madeleine had enough height , weight, strength etc to be able to open the doors and or gates on her own.

In fact it was a question being asked and your translation is not a question. "wouldn't Madeleine be able to go looking for them"  has to become something else as it has to be phrased as a question.

Being able to wake and wander is dependent on Madeleine being able to open a door in the first instance. 

If she can't open a door would she resort to opening the window and the shutters?

I imagine a 4 year old being able to be trained in how to open the shutters but there has been no such training given to Madeline AFAIK.

Rob stop making a mountain out of a molehill,AF asked it as a question, listen to KM and GM reply they fully understood it as such.

[Robittybob1]

oh I am  sure I have no idea where this converstion is going...

Let us look at what Kate said about the window and the unlocked door,

Kate said she left the door unlocked, now why did she leave the door unlocked if not to allow her daugher to get out?
What if there was a fire? saying you left a door unlocked makes it sound you had thought of that, but did they?

The question has always been even if the patio door was left unlocked could Madeleine pull the door open when needed?  It has to be more than Kate's intentions, Kate has to check that Madeleine was capable.  She may have seen it happen during the week so she knew Madeleine was more than able to do these tasks.

You can't have it both ways, in case of fire would Madeleine have had to rescue the the twins as well as getting herself out of the building?

[Mr Gray]

The question has always been even if the patio door was left unlocked could Madeleine pull the door open when needed?  It has to be more than Kate's intentions, Kate has to check that Madeleine was capable.  She may have seen it happen during the week so she knew Madeleine was more than able to do these tasks.

You can't have it both ways, in case of fire would Madeleine have had to rescue the the twins as well as getting herself out of the building?

In case of fire.....this would be seen by passers by...the fact the patio door was open would enable passers by to access the apartment