Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.

[Mr Gray]

Can you show me where the link shows that fire extinguisher training is given please?

look at the link and see what they are doing in the photo.

[Alice Purjorick]

I am not asking what would happen in a fire. I was stating that KATE left a door unlocked and I am seeking to find out  why?  I merely used the  fire scenaro to use as an excuse... to explain about the locking mechanism you were obsessing about.

...and why was this important information not allowed airtime at the same time in the same interview along with the 'abduction via window'!?

PR PR and PR...


So now we have  a situation when the unlocked door was eventuallly discussed, the woke and wandered was seen as another theory....but dismissed out of hand by the parents who claim it ws impossible for MBM to get out of the apartment SO AGAIN I ask.. why did Kate leave a door unlocked- one which her child could not escape?


Davel, as  You have no firefighting experience, your remarks are better ignored.

But a nod to those  who seem keen to find out. https://www.firerescue1.com/Firefighter-Training

Please note: member of the public with no firefighting experience can casue death by allowing oxygen to access a buring building.


Oh and just for a bit of fun... Why do we have fire doors?  um  erm  ah  yes  difficult one that!

Basic science is that.....................

[Miss Taken Identity]

so you think you can have an office or workplace full of fire extinguishers and no one with experience of using them...try using a little logic.....fire training involves going in the car park and letting off a few extinguishers

OK using that logic can you please show me the firefighting equiptment next to the unlocked doors which 'passers by' can use?

Thanks in advance.

[Mr Gray]

Basic science is that.....................

its basic science...so would you open the door or let a child die

[barrier]

so you think you can have an office or workplace full of fire extinguishers and no one with experience of using them...try using a little logic.....fire training involves going in the car park and letting off a few extinguishers

Yep and not to approach a burning building with out the proper equipment,respirator etc,if you discover a fire and attempt to put it out  have your back to the exit and face the fire,there is more but you get the gist.

[Miss Taken Identity]

Yep and not to approach a burning building with out the proper equipment,respirator etc,if you discover a fire and attempt to put it out  have your back to the exit and face the fire,there is more but you get the gist.

Some people have different fire training than others

[Vertigo Swirl]

its basic science...so would you open the door or let a child die

I think in this day and age of health and safety you’d probably have to call 999 and watch the kids burn to death while waiting for the professionals to arrive.

[barrier]

Please just write down the question SF asked, as you think it meant, pretend that you were being interviewed.

Goncalo Amaral seems to be of the opinion the only way in to the apartment  without leaving a trace would be if the intruder had a key.   Even though the patio door was unlocked he felt it was unlikely an intruder would attack from the back as it would be too visible from the Tapas area.
Only to those that knew it was open.  Would passers by enter a building on fire without know there was someone in there?

Rack to topic: the question she asked is obvious.

[Mr Gray]

Yep and not to approach a burning building with out the proper equipment,respirator etc,if you discover a fire and attempt to put it out  have your back to the exit and face the fire,there is more but you get the gist.

I would open the door and save the child.....its important to see expert advice in....CONTEXT.....of course the experts got it totally wrong at Grenfell

[barrier]

Did she claim her daughter could not have physically left the apartment or that the manner in which the apartment was left (ie patio doors closed, stairgate shut etc) meant it was not possible her daughter had left the apartment?

She didn't say couldn't which would indicate a barrier of some kind,she said she wouldn't.

[Robittybob1]

I have never claimed I work in an office!  do you feel insulted.. oh dear.

You are not trained in firefighting- claiming that you are  is hilarious as the advice you offer is against the firefighting training offered by experts!

Yes  too funny  open the door and let the oxygen cause a backdraft... wow what really?

Now then one can look at the philpots-- tried to 'save' their children... Dad had it all planned... as a non experienced firefighter...

Anyway back to the thread. 

Why did Kate leave a door unlocked? who was supposed to use it, who knew about it?

Not for her daughter as she claims her daughter coulnd't have left the apartment...

I will be deleting your posts if you keep claiming that Kate claims her daughter couldn't leave the apartment.
She has never made this claim. 

[barrier]

I would open the door and save the child.....its important to see expert advice in....CONTEXT.....of course the experts got it totally wrong at Grenfell

Or attempt to.

[Robittybob1]

She didn't say couldn't which would indicate a barrier of some kind,she said she wouldn't.

Kate never said she wouldn't leave the apartment either.  If you think I'm wrong show me a cite where Kate says she wouldn't.

[barrier]

Kate never said she wouldn't leave the apartment either.  If you think I'm wrong show me a cite where Kate says she wouldn't.

 GM to SF: If you are saying, "Is it theoretically possible that Madeleine left the apartment, then yes.  Do we believe it and do we think she was capable of leaving the apartment the way it was found and by which exit did she leave, then absolutely not.

So she wouldn't leave as the apartment was left.
So in what state would Madeleine leave the apartment in if she wanted to go and find her parents?

[Robittybob1]

 GM to SF: If you are saying, "Is it theoretically possible that Madeleine left the apartment, then yes.  Do we believe it and do we think she was capable of leaving the apartment the way it was found and by which exit did she leave, then absolutely not.

So she wouldn't leave as the apartment was left.
So in what state would Madeleine leave the apartment in if she wanted to go and find her parents?

There is a big difference in the two expressions
"do we think she was capable of leaving the apartment the way it was found...?
"do we think she was capable of leaving the apartment ...?

One is talking about the state of the apartment and the other is the state of the person.