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Offline Sunny

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #165 on: November 26, 2018, 04:17:56 PM »
I have seen elsewhere that Goncalo Amaral says some of the fingerprints were on the handle of the window as well as the glass.

However, on the glass, on the handle and on the right-hand frame of Madeleine's bedroom window, we had lifted five fingerprints - three from a middle finger and two from an index finger - all from a left hand, identified as belonging to Kate McCann.

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Offline Sunny

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #166 on: November 26, 2018, 04:28:32 PM »
I thought I'd add further from this quote

The window in question is the one that Kate Healy states she found open to the left, with the curtains fluttering, when she discovered that her daughter was missing. On the window, there were no signs of a break-in or of gloves. It had been cleaned the day before, May 2nd, by an Ocean Club employee, and the only fingerprints found were Kate's. The position of the fingerprints indicate that the window had been opened to the left, as Kate Healy stated: "the window was fully open to the left." There is no doubt that somebody opened that window on the evening of May 3rd and the only fingerprints found on it were those of Kate Healy. The manager of the Ocean Club's crèche, who went to the apartment after the alarm was raised, remarked that, "the window was partially open to the left," confirming Kate's earlier statement.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #167 on: November 26, 2018, 04:35:49 PM »

No mention of twice being duffed up in court over the nasty book.
One day The Sun says [fill in as appropriate]. The next day The Sun says [fill in the opposite to yesterday's article.]

The scary bit is that someone writes this for good cash money and has the right to vote.

The real scary bit is the millions who read it and think it's true have the right to vote...

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #168 on: November 26, 2018, 04:44:04 PM »

OK but it's an anonymous source Rob, it has no confirmation. Our gutter press routinely run stories fed to them by P.R. people, it has no validity apart from The Sun/ Mail claim it happened.
After 2.5 years of study on this case IMO it is the right theory.  Problem is that it only works if they are willing to bring in burglars to open the window who then abandon their attempt of entry, and someone else who closes the front door after Madeleine makes her journey out the front door.
Closing a front door is not a crime.  But if someone has kept that quiet all these years it makes me wonder.   They would then have to explain what they were doing there to see the front door open in the first place.

I can see the case starting to unravel if they were to persist with this enquiry. 

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Offline faithlilly

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #169 on: November 26, 2018, 04:50:56 PM »
The real scary bit is the millions who read it and think it's true have the right to vote...

Indeed, unaware that they are the victims of a rather hastily constructed con job..
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #170 on: November 26, 2018, 04:51:38 PM »
Another article today from Tracey in the Sun:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7828725/madeleine-mccann-parents-slam-claims-she-wasnt-kidnapped/
From the article "A family source said: "Kate and Gerry have always maintained that their daughter was abducted and simply didn’t get up and wander off to her fate.

"To suggest this is almost ridiculous.

"There were heavy shutters which would have been impossible for a small child to open.""

OK what about if a burglar opened the window.  Therefore Madeleine doesn't need to do this Kate?
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #171 on: November 26, 2018, 04:55:28 PM »
Another article today from Tracey in the Sun:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7828725/madeleine-mccann-parents-slam-claims-she-wasnt-kidnapped/
Another bit from the article ""To give any credence whatsoever to that idea that Madeleine could have walked out on her own you would have to accept that she had gone out the back way, pulling aside the sitting room curtains and drawing them again, then opening the patio doors, the child safety gate at the top of the stairs on the veranda and the little gate to the road - and carefully closing all three behind her."

There are two doors Kate.  Why aren't you discussing the front door scenario Kate?
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #172 on: November 26, 2018, 05:01:37 PM »
I have seen elsewhere that Goncalo Amaral says some of the fingerprints were on the handle of the window as well as the glass.

However, on the glass, on the handle and on the right-hand frame of Madeleine's bedroom window, we had lifted five fingerprints - three from a middle finger and two from an index finger - all from a left hand, identified as belonging to Kate McCann.
That could be a bad memory of the actual situation. 
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #173 on: November 26, 2018, 05:03:26 PM »
I thought I'd add further from this quote

The window in question is the one that Kate Healy states she found open to the left, with the curtains fluttering, when she discovered that her daughter was missing. On the window, there were no signs of a break-in or of gloves. It had been cleaned the day before, May 2nd, by an Ocean Club employee, and the only fingerprints found were Kate's. The position of the fingerprints indicate that the window had been opened to the left, as Kate Healy stated: "the window was fully open to the left." There is no doubt that somebody opened that window on the evening of May 3rd and the only fingerprints found on it were those of Kate Healy. The manager of the Ocean Club's crèche, who went to the apartment after the alarm was raised, remarked that, "the window was partially open to the left," confirming Kate's earlier statement.

Where are the prints of the person who closed it?
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Offline Angelo222

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #174 on: November 26, 2018, 05:51:16 PM »
I can just hear the damage limitation cogs slowly turning.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #175 on: November 26, 2018, 06:02:03 PM »
And now they appear to believe that Scotland Yard are insulting them ...
Have they made any comment to that effect regarding Scotland Yard?  The article seems to be based on an except from Kate’s book written in 2011, nothing else of substance there...
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Offline Brietta

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #176 on: November 26, 2018, 06:10:27 PM »
I have seen elsewhere that Goncalo Amaral says some of the fingerprints were on the handle of the window as well as the glass.

However, on the glass, on the handle and on the right-hand frame of Madeleine's bedroom window, we had lifted five fingerprints - three from a middle finger and two from an index finger - all from a left hand, identified as belonging to Kate McCann.

If Amaral states that he is wrong.

The forensic report details that only five fingerprints were found on the inside of the window glass ... there is no record of prints being lifted from from the window handle.

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Observations: The fingerprint traces collected are identified as being the middle finger of the left hand (3x) and forefinger of the left hand (2x), of the missing girl’s mother,
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/FINGERPRINTS.htm
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline G-Unit

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #177 on: November 26, 2018, 06:36:10 PM »
I can just hear the damage limitation cogs slowly turning.

If any 'truths' have emerged in these recent stories it's that something happened in Portugal and then in Rothley. That suggests that any visit to Rothley by Op Grange was to discuss what happened in Portugal. It would be interesting to know if Op Grange requested a meeting in Portugal or if they were summoned to it.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #178 on: November 26, 2018, 07:16:51 PM »
Or comedic!
What's with the "heavy shutters" routine then?
The rollyupanddown curtain bit is unlikely to be more than 4 or 5 kilogrammes per m2
I suppose it depends on the definition of heavy that one relies.
Then of course the CDA for raising will have somekind of built in mechanical advantage.
"kilogrammes per m2" is a measurement of pressure.  Are you using the right units?  Shouldn't you be looking at units of work?
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #179 on: November 26, 2018, 09:16:46 PM »
Well if the investigation are looking at woke and wandered they can’t possibly believe that the window and shutters were open, can they  and how can that possibly be positive for the parents ?
Both can occur if someone else opened the window and raised the shutters.
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