Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.

[G-Unit]

There is no proof they were open before 10pm.

Kate said;

To give any credence whatsoever to that idea that Madeleine could have walked out on her own you would have to accept that she had gone out the back way, pulling aside the sitting room curtains and drawing them again, then opening the patio doors, the child safety gate at the top of the stairs on the veranda and the little gate to the road - and carefully closing all three behind her.

“What three-year-old do you know who would do that? And we knew our Madeleine. She simply would not wander off like this.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7828725/madeleine-mccann-parents-slam-claims-she-wasnt-kidnapped/

The only evidence that the gates were closed at 10 pm is that Kate McCann said they were. The only evidence that Madeleine wouldn't wander is the opinion of her family.

[faithlilly]

There are several but I can't be bothered to share then.. I've had enough of pointless debate

Then why are you here ?

Quite a conundrum isn’t it ?

We are told that the parents were visited at home by OG to update them about two new leads but seem surprised a week later what one of those leads is.

We are told that the parents are pleased that there are still leads to be explored yet a week later the are ‘insulted’ that those leads are being explored.

We are told in May that the parents were asked not to do any anniversary interviews in case it jeopardised the investigation yet this weekend they did just that.

It does make you wonder exactly what is going on, doesn’t it ?

[Mr Gray]

Then why are you here ?

Quite a conundrum isn’t it ?

We are told that the parents were visited at home by OG to update them about two new leads but seem surprised a week later what one of those leads is.

We are told that the parents are pleased that there are still leads to be explored yet a week later the are ‘insulted’ that those leads are being explored.

We are told in May that the parents were asked not to do any anniversary interviews in case it jeopardised the investigation yet this weekend they did just that.

It does make you wonder exactly what is going on, doesn’t it ?

You were told by the sun... Some of us don't believe the sun... The quote about being insulted seems to come from kates book in 2011...I have doubts SY are investigating woke and wandered...

[faithlilly]

You were told by the sun... Some of us don't believe the sun... The quote about being insulted seems to come from kates book in 2011...I have doubts SY are investigating woke and wandered...

‘Police are re-examining a theory that Maddie left her family’s holiday villa to look for her parents.

But Gerry and Kate McCann have branded the theory "ridiculous" as heavy shutters found open in the bedroom where their children were sleeping would have to have been opened by Maddie.

A family source said: "Kate and Gerry have always maintained that their daughter was abducted and simply didn’t get up and wander off to her fate.

"To suggest this is almost ridiculous.

"There were heavy shutters which would have been impossible for a small child to open."

They spoke out after a source told The Sun on Sunday cops are pursuing two vital new leads over the 2007 mystery.‘

This isn’t from Kate’s book.

[Mr Gray]

‘Police are re-examining a theory that Maddie left her family’s holiday villa to look for her parents.

But Gerry and Kate McCann have branded the theory "ridiculous" as heavy shutters found open in the bedroom where their children were sleeping would have to have been opened by Maddie.

A family source said: "Kate and Gerry have always maintained that their daughter was abducted and simply didn’t get up and wander off to her fate.

"To suggest this is almost ridiculous.

"There were heavy shutters which would have been impossible for a small child to open."

They spoke out after a source told The Sun on Sunday cops are pursuing two vital new leads over the 2007 mystery.‘

This isn’t from Kate’s book.

In her harrowing 2011 book about her daughter's disappearance, she stated: “I have always found the third suggestion insulting to our intelligence.

[faithlilly]

In her harrowing 2011 book about her daughter's disappearance, she stated: “I have always found the third suggestion insulting to our intelligence.

I’m not disputing that part of the article came from Madeleine but not the part I quoted.

Of course it isn’t only the windows/shutters issue that is problematic for the parents but also the opening and closing doors, not to mention Smithman ! I mean who knocks over a child then runs about town with the body ?

[Erngath]

You were told by the sun... Some of us don't believe the sun... The quote about being insulted seems to come from kates book in 2011...I have doubts SY are investigating woke and wandered...

I thought the general belief was that nothing in the Sun can be  accepted as being truthful and honest.
I share your doubts.
I would hope that theory had been investigated before now.

[Gertrude]

Then why are you here ?

Quite a conundrum isn’t it ?

We are told that the parents were visited at home by OG to update them about two new leads but seem surprised a week later what one of those leads is.

We are told that the parents are pleased that there are still leads to be explored yet a week later the are ‘insulted’ that those leads are being explored.

We are told in May that the parents were asked not to do any anniversary interviews in case it jeopardised the investigation yet this weekend they did just that.

It does make you wonder exactly what is going on, doesn’t it ?

Excellent points. If the parents have had a meeting and briefed why would they react with surprise at the latest 'woke and wandered' story as you say?

  At least one of the accounts must not be true.

[Sunny]

Excellent points. If the parents have had a meeting and briefed why would they react with surprise at the latest 'woke and wandered' story as you say?

  At least one of the accounts must not be true.

Why do the McCanns object to people saying Madeleine may have wandered out?   They claim to have left the doors open so should be entirely possible IMO.

[faithlilly]

Why do the McCanns object to people saying Madeleine may have wandered out?   They claim to have left the doors open so should be entirely possible IMO.

The open window is the thing. You can’t have woke and wondered with the open window. It’s a bit like the cadaver dogs. Most innocent parents would be horrified if cadaver dogs alerted in their apartment because that would mean their child was dead. However there was no accepting the cadaver dogs because Madeleine would have to have been dead and in the apartment for at least 90 minutes.

In both cases something has to give.

Oh and if she had woke and wandered it would absolutely the parents fault for leaving the patio doors unlocked.

[Robittybob1]

At the end of the day we have to follow the evidence and ignore the fake science. Evidence is things like corroborated statements as to who was where and when, DNA, fingerprints, tracker dogs etc.  When we put these together I personally believe the woke and wandered theory rises to the surface above all others.

So how do you explain the raised shutters?

[Robittybob1]

There are fingerprints and smudges on the exterior of the shutter which can be clearly seen in the dragon blood left behind after the forensic examination.

What there isn't is a record of whether or not the outside of the window was dusted.

Gaps in the investigation.   What we also don't see is GA and his security expert explaining how easy it would have been for Madeleine to open the front door from the inside.

[Robittybob1]

There is no proof they were open before 10pm.

We have Kate's word for that.  We could even allow the possibility that Matt's observations were suggestive of the shutters being up at his check.

[John]

We have Kate's word for that.  We could even allow the possibility that Matt's observations were suggestive of the shutters being up at his check.

I think we have to be guided by the forensics which would point to Kate opening and/or closing the window, anything else is just speculation.

[Robittybob1]

There are several but I can't be bothered to share then.. I've had enough of pointless debate

Well do you agree with Kate that it wasn't Madeleine who raised the shutters?