Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.

[John]

Well do you agree with Kate that it wasn't Madeleine who raised the shutters?

I wouldn't have thought so.

[Robittybob1]

You were told by the sun... Some of us don't believe the sun... The quote about being insulted seems to come from kates book in 2011...I have doubts SY are investigating woke and wandered...

Well they should be, since it is so easy for a nearly 4 year old to open the front door from the inside.

[Robittybob1]

‘Police are re-examining a theory that Maddie left her family’s holiday villa to look for her parents.

But Gerry and Kate McCann have branded the theory "ridiculous" as heavy shutters found open in the bedroom where their children were sleeping would have to have been opened by Maddie.

A family source said: "Kate and Gerry have always maintained that their daughter was abducted and simply didn’t get up and wander off to her fate.

"To suggest this is almost ridiculous.

"There were heavy shutters which would have been impossible for a small child to open."

They spoke out after a source told The Sun on Sunday cops are pursuing two vital new leads over the 2007 mystery.‘

This isn’t from Kate’s book.

How do Kate and Gerry KNOW that their daughter was abducted and simply didn’t get up and wander off to her fate?   Why do they determine the line of investigation?

[jassi]

How do Kate and Gerry KNOW that their daughter was abducted and simply didn’t get up and wander off to her fate?   Why do they determine the line of investigation?

Because that way they had someone other than themselves to blame
If she woke  and wandered, they only have themselves to blame for leaving doors open.

IMO

[Robittybob1]

I thought the general belief was that nothing in the Sun can be  accepted as being truthful and honest.
I share your doubts.
I would hope that theory had been investigated before now.

Hope and facts to prove it are different things.  I have not seen any evidence that the woke and wandered has been investigated, for it would mean that someone came in after Madeleine departed and closed the doors and gates after Madeleine had left them open according to Kate's knowledge of how Madeleine would behave.

I think the concept of someone altering the scene prior to Kate's visit at 10:00 an essential line of investigation.

[Robittybob1]

The open window is the thing. You can’t have woke and wondered with the open window. It’s a bit like the cadaver dogs. Most innocent parents would be horrified if cadaver dogs alerted in their apartment because that would mean their child was dead. However there was no accepting the cadaver dogs because Madeleine would have to have been dead and in the apartment for at least 90 minutes.

In both cases something has to give.

Oh and if she had woke and wandered it would absolutely the parents fault for leaving the patio doors unlocked.

It is only 80 paces from the side gate to the Tapas table.  That should have been so easy for Madeleine to complete.

[Robittybob1]

I think we have to be guided by the forensics which would point to Kate opening and/or closing the window, anything else is just speculation.

I don't doubt that Kate touched the window sometime during that week or if the windows had been cleaned that Thursday.

[Robittybob1]

I wouldn't have thought so.

So to make it clear you (John) wouldn't have thought it likely that Madeleine opened the shutters herself.

[Robittybob1]

Because that way they had someone other than themselves to blame
If she woke  and wandered, they only have themselves to blame for leaving doors open.

IMO

I thought Fiona had confirmed Kate talked about leaving the door open so Madeleine could walk over to the Tapas.
She was capable of getting out of bed, out of her room, out of her apartment, capable of walking 80 paces to the table where Mummy and Daddy were.  Perfectly capable just like having dinner in your garden at home.

[barrier]

Hope and facts to prove it are different things. I have not seen any evidence that the woke and wandered has been investigated, for it would mean that someone came in after Madeleine departed and closed the doors and gates after Madeleine had left them open according to Kate's knowledge of how Madeleine would behave.

I think the concept of someone altering the scene prior to Kate's visit at 10:00 an essential line of investigation.

Bolded bit,to paraphrase Churchill,perhaps its the end of the beginning,abduction fully investigated,nada,zilch,nothing,tie up all loose ends making sure all scenarios are covered.

[Gertrude]

Why do the McCanns object to people saying Madeleine may have wandered out?   They claim to have left the doors open so should be entirely possible IMO.

 If you wanted to distract the public or media focussing on certain theories.. Plant a story about an innocuous theory,  then plant another story that looks like you are kicking up a fuss to the theory in story 1, so more fuss is generated.

 It's deflection via employing faux outrage IMO...Look over here not over there.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Then why are you here ?

Quite a conundrum isn’t it ?

We are told that the parents were visited at home by OG to update them about two new leads but seem surprised a week later what one of those leads is.

We are told that the parents are pleased that there are still leads to be explored yet a week later the are ‘insulted’ that those leads are being explored.

We are told in May that the parents were asked not to do any anniversary interviews in case it jeopardised the investigation yet this weekend they did just that.

It does make you wonder exactly what is going on, doesn’t it ?

When did the McCanns give an interview this weekend?  I must have missed it.  Do you have a link?

[Robittybob1]

Bolded bit,to paraphrase Churchill,perhaps its the end of the beginning,abduction fully investigated,nada,zilch,nothing,tie up all loose ends making sure all scenarios are covered.

Well I hope history repeats itself.    "We will fight ....."

But I have yet to get someone to consider the front door as the exit point even though two dog teams tracked Madeleine's scent from the front door then around the apartment block to the service lane and then onto the street.  Twice tracked her scent to the secondary reception entrance. 

[jassi]

If you wanted to distract the public or media focussing on certain theories.. Plant a story about an innocuous theory,  then plant another story that looks like you are kicking up a fuss to the theory in story 1, so more fuss is generated.

 It's deflection via employing faux outrage IMO...Look over here not over there.

Don't think it will distract either SY or PJ, who are the only ones who really count.

[Vertigo Swirl]

The open window is the thing. You can’t have woke and wondered with the open window. It’s a bit like the cadaver dogs. Most innocent parents would be horrified if cadaver dogs alerted in their apartment because that would mean their child was dead. However there was no accepting the cadaver dogs because Madeleine would have to have been dead and in the apartment for at least 90 minutes.

In both cases something has to give.

Oh and if she had woke and wandered it would absolutely the parents fault for leaving the patio doors unlocked.

What difference does it make fault wise if she was abducted from her room or taken (alive or dead) from outside the apartment?  I don’t know why you’re so excited by this (non) development,  it’s a bit unseemly IMO.