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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #240 on: November 27, 2018, 06:07:48 PM »
Because that way they had someone other than themselves to blame
If she woke  and wandered, they only have themselves to blame for leaving doors open.

IMO
So they are not to blame for leaving the doors unlocked if it’s an abduction then?
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Erngath

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #241 on: November 27, 2018, 06:08:52 PM »
If you wanted to distract the public or media focussing on certain theories.. Plant a story about an innocuous theory,  then plant another story that looks like you are kicking up a fuss to the theory in story 1, so more fuss is generated.

 It's deflection via employing faux outrage IMO...Look over here not over there.

Who is dong "the planting"?
Do you believe this "planting" will achieve its desired outcome of "Look over here not over there"?
Wil the media and public be distracted?

Deal with the failings of others as gently as with your own.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #242 on: November 27, 2018, 06:16:54 PM »
If you wanted to distract the public or media focussing on certain theories.. Plant a story about an innocuous theory,  then plant another story that looks like you are kicking up a fuss to the theory in story 1, so more fuss is generated.

 It's deflection via employing faux outrage IMO...Look over here not over there.
Oh it’s those canny McCanns controlling the media again...  @)(++(*
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline jassi

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #243 on: November 27, 2018, 06:18:49 PM »
So they are not to blame for leaving the doors unlocked if it’s an abduction then?
They are, but claiming there was an abductor, then they can pass the blame and play the victim card.

IMO

I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #244 on: November 27, 2018, 06:22:42 PM »
They are, but claiming there was an abductor, then they can pass the blame and play the victim card.

IMO
If Madeleine woke and wandered something bad happened to her at the hands of others, what blame do they share, or none at all?
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Gertrude

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #245 on: November 27, 2018, 06:23:34 PM »
Who is dong "the planting"?
Do you believe this "planting" will achieve its desired outcome of "Look over here not over there"?
Wil the media and public be distracted?

I believe Clarence Mitchell is doing the planting.  Yes the media and public will be distracted, many are discussing the 'wandered' theory in depth, even here. Years ago the (planted?) media narrative was one of abductors, that has lost momentum over the years of Op. Grange and them announcing Jane Tanners 'mistake'.  This current resurrected theory is also one of no parental responsibility - but not one Op. Grange have publicly put the kibosh on so far. So imo. is ripe for exploitation.
  It will distract for a while and to some degree shape the publics perceptions if police announce any other theories later on.

Offline jassi

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #246 on: November 27, 2018, 06:24:29 PM »
If Madeleine woke and wandered something bad happened to her at the hands of others, what blame do they share, or none at all?

Would depend on what subsequently  happened, do you not think?
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #247 on: November 27, 2018, 06:26:12 PM »
Would depend on what subsequently  happened, do you not think?
Unless she walked up the volcano and threw herself doen it then someone took off with her, alive or dead.  Do they shoulder any responsibility for their actions, or is it still only the McCanns at fault, in your view?
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Gertrude

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #248 on: November 27, 2018, 06:26:45 PM »
Oh it’s those canny McCanns controlling the media again...  @)(++(*

You know Clarence Mitchell works for them do you not? He is somewhat of an expert.

P.R. companies try and control narratives, they do plant stories in the media and many of them have been caught lying and getting involved in all kinds of nasty political intrigue.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #249 on: November 27, 2018, 06:28:11 PM »
I believe Clarence Mitchell is doing the planting.  Yes the media and public will be distracted, many are discussing the 'wandered' theory in depth, even here. Years ago the (planted?) media narrative was one of abductors, that has lost momentum over the years of Op. Grange and them announcing Jane Tanners 'mistake'.  This current resurrected theory is also one of no parental responsibility - but not one Op. Grange have publicly put the kibosh on so far. So imo. is ripe for exploitation.
  It will distract for a while and to some degree shape the publics perceptions if police announce any other theories later on.
Oh dear, this is somewhat at odds with other sceptics’ views on here.  They think the police are playing mind games with the McCanns via the media and are about to pounce...
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Erngath

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #250 on: November 27, 2018, 06:28:17 PM »
I believe Clarence Mitchell is doing the planting.  Yes the media and public will be distracted, many are discussing the 'wandered' theory in depth, even here. Years ago the (planted?) media narrative was one of abductors, that has lost momentum over the years of Op. Grange and them announcing Jane Tanners 'mistake'.  This current resurrected theory is also one of no parental responsibility - but not one Op. Grange have publicly put the kibosh on so far. So imo. is ripe for exploitation.
  It will distract for a while and to some degree shape the publics perceptions if police announce any other theories later on.

Why is there no parental responsibility if Madeleine woke and wandered?
Deal with the failings of others as gently as with your own.

Offline Erngath

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #251 on: November 27, 2018, 06:30:58 PM »
Oh dear, this is somewhat at odds with other sceptics’ views on here.  They think the police are playing mind games with the McCanns via the media and are about to pounce...

It's all very confusing!
Must add to the"Look here not over there" theory.lol
Deal with the failings of others as gently as with your own.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #252 on: November 27, 2018, 06:34:44 PM »
You know Clarence Mitchell works for them do you not? He is somewhat of an expert.

P.R. companies try and control narratives, they do plant stories in the media and many of them have been caught lying and getting involved in all kinds of nasty political intrigue.
What do the McCanns gain from this story that simply saying nothing at all, and having nothing at all reported about it one way or the other doesn’t get them?
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #253 on: November 27, 2018, 06:35:34 PM »
It's all very confusing!
Must add to the"Look here not over there" theory.lol
The McCanns are the Penn and Teller of master criminals dontcha know.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Gertrude

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #254 on: November 27, 2018, 06:40:54 PM »
What do the McCanns gain from this story that simply saying nothing at all, and having nothing at all reported about it one way or the other doesn’t get them?

I explained what it would get them. If you were someone that didn't want 'damaging theories' discussed in the press, give the press a silly, innocuous story to become preoccupied with.

You are supremely naive if you don't think P.R. companies do this sort of thing imo.  What do you think Clarence does all day?  Are there any McCann related stories in the last few years that don't have the 'friend of the family' source?
  What a coincidence that the McCann's 'friends' keep flapping away to the press and they are not bothered about it, it's not as if they're litigious are they?