Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.

[Vertigo Swirl]

I believe they checked the children, just not every 30 minutes.

As to the rest of your post you are simply trying to justify the unjustifiable by trying to make me out to be some kind of obsessive worrier. While I would wonder why the McCanns chose to spend so little time with their children, it was their choice and I would certainly not call it neglectful.

There was nothing about my post suggesting you are some kind of obsessive worrier.  I had you down as more an obsessive warrior, of the keyboard variety.   

[Sunny]

It's a matter of opinion isn't it?  Leaving your kids with strangers who may or may not be up to the job, and who have numerous other children to worry about, or leaving them alone asleep, in more familiar surroundings, checking on them yourself every 30 minutes.

Children are not possessions by the way.  IMO.

They did leave the children with those same strangers during the day so they obviously thought they were "up to the job" in the daytime.

They could have put their hands in their pocket and paid for one of those same "strangers" who looked after their children during the day to babysit them in their own apartment and then they would also be in "more familiar surroundings" too.

They chose to do neither.

[faithlilly]

They did leave the children with those same strangers during the day so they obviously thought they were "up to the job" in the daytime.

They could have put their hands in their pocket and paid for one of those same "strangers" who looked after their children during the day to babysit them in their own apartment and then they would also be in "more familiar surroundings" too.

They chose to do neither.

And still used the same crèche after Madeleine had gone missing.

[Vertigo Swirl]

They did leave the children with those same strangers during the day so they obviously thought they were "up to the job" in the daytime.

They could have put their hands in their pocket and paid for one of those same "strangers" who looked after their children during the day to babysit them in their own apartment and then they would also be in "more familiar surroundings" too.

They chose to do neither.

They chose to keep their children within a minute's walk and check on them themselves regularly rather than several minutes walk away, relying on others to check on them regularly.   I'm sure it's a decision they will regret until the end of their days, but until then, let's keep criticizing them for it, after all there's nothing more productive we could be doing with our time than constantly criticising the McCanns' choices is there?

[Sunny]

They chose to keep their children within a minute's walk and check on them themselves regularly rather than several minutes walk away, relying on others to check on them regularly.   I'm sure it's a decision they will regret until the end of their days, but until then, let's keep criticizing them for it, after all there's nothing more productive we could be doing with our time than constantly criticising the McCanns' choices is there?

I did give two ways the parents could have kept their children safe and one was in the apartment.

[faithlilly]

They chose to keep their children within a minute's walk and check on them themselves regularly rather than several minutes walk away, relying on others to check on them regularly.   I'm sure it's a decision they will regret until the end of their days, but until then, let's keep criticizing them for it, after all there's nothing more productive we could be doing with our time than constantly criticising the McCanns' choices is there?

Of course you are forgetting Mrs Fenn’s statement.

[Vertigo Swirl]

I did give two ways the parents could have kept their children safe and one was in the apartment.

So? 

[Vertigo Swirl]

Of course you are forgetting Mrs Fenn’s statement.

Oh, look at the date!  It's Groundhog Day again.  I'm forgetting nothing, and I'm certainly not interested in another waste of time debate about how often you believe the parents did or didn't check on the children.  The parents were monstrous child neglectors.  I can say no more than that.   Happy now?

[Sunny]

Oh, look at the date!  It's Groundhog Day again.  I'm forgetting nothing, and I'm certainly not interested in another waste of time debate about how often you believe the parents did or didn't check on the children.  The parents were monstrous child neglectors.  I can say no more than that.   Happy now?

One thing is clear that the children were pushed into second place in their minds against going out for a meal with their friends.

[slartibartfast]

I believe they checked the children, just not every 30 minutes.

As to the rest of your post you are simply trying to justify the unjustifiable by trying to make me out to be some kind of obsessive worrier. While I would wonder why the McCanns chose to spend so little time with their children, it was their choice and I would certainly not call it neglectful.

I would say staff observing the T9 leaving the table is evidence of them leaving the table.

[Eleanor]

I have had an epiphany.  I can now see what all of you're talking about, even if I don't actually agree with you.

Phew.  That was hard.  It took me a  long time.  Since when I am not going to be a lot of use  to any one in the moderating stakes.  As if I ever was.

I believe that The NcCanns are entirely innocent.  But I can see  why others might wonder.

[Eleanor]

One thing is clear that the children were pushed into second place in their minds against going out for a meal with their friends.

That is a nasty assumption..

[slartibartfast]

That is a nasty assumption..

A valid assumption. Why else did they leave the children?

[Sunny]

A valid assumption. Why else did they leave the children?

Exactly Slarti.

[Brietta]

They did leave the children with those same strangers during the day so they obviously thought they were "up to the job" in the daytime.

They could have put their hands in their pocket and paid for one of those same "strangers" who looked after their children during the day to babysit them in their own apartment and then they would also be in "more familiar surroundings" too.

They chose to do neither.

I typed "Baby sitter caught on camera hitting baby" into my search engine and came up with numerous occasions when this had occurred.

Having watched the first one ... I'm sure I will be forgiven for being unable to watch any more ... nor to provide a link.

There is no guarantee of safety for children either if a child is watched on a one to one basis ... or has been entrusted to the care of nurseries.  As proved by recent cases of abuse of children by nursery workers.