Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.

[John]

I’m sorry John but I could believe that having knocked down a child you would seek help but having put them in the car and finding the medical centre closed surely you’d then drive to the nearest hospital ?

For me you either summon help via your phone or knocking on the door of a nearby house or you drive away afraid of the consequences of your actions. What you don’t do is pick up the child, thus perhaps making the injuries worse, put them in your car then fail to get them help just because the local medical centre is closed. That’s just bonkers.

In reality people all act differently to given situations. The first reaction is to care for the injured but when the initial adrenaline dissipates and the shock subsidies then self preservation takes over.  Someone might have had the best of intentions initially but then changed their mind once the consequences impacted on them.

I have seen RTA situations constantly where the wrongdoer is so very apologetic and admits their mistake. Jump forward a short period and the response is usually very different, namely, "It wisnae my fault officer".  And that is why police are trained to take notes or statements immediately after an incident.

If Madeleine was run over I would suspect the driver was drunk, uninsured or had no licence. There is usually something else going on when a driver leaves the scene of any accident.

[Robittybob1]

Maybe she went out the front door and it slammed behind her leaving her with no option but to follow the path she was familiar with?

The front door is so easy to open with the lever from the inside, easier to open than the gates on the stairs. 
Problem I see is that the door had anti-slam features.  You need a key to close it behind you, you can't just push those doors shut.
David Payne confirmed this when he said he rushed over there to check if the front door was open but it wasn't.  Could the door go into a half closed position (one that looks closed but not fully latched)?
Kate hadn't noticed the door unlatched.  Who would expect someone coming through and closing it to look like Madeleine had been abducted rather than run off?   Why is Dianne so concerned about the shutters?
What also concerns me is understanding how David Payne gets into a position to check the front door as he says he did?  Did he go in through the patio door and up the hall way or did he go right around to the front door and then found it closed? 

[John]

The front door is so easy to open with the lever from the inside, easier to open than the gates on the stairs. 
Problem I see is that the door had anti-slam features.  You need a key to close it behind you, you can't just push those doors shut.
David Payne confirmed this when he said he rushed over there to check if the front door was open but it wasn't.  Could the door go into a half closed position (one that looks closed but not fully latched)?
Kate hadn't noticed the door unlatched.  Who would expect someone coming through and closing it to look like Madeleine had been abducted rather than run off?   Why is Dianne so concerned about the shutters?

Once the front door is closed it cannot be opened from the outside without the key unless the latch is locked back. The only time it is ever locked back is when you are walking in and out and don't want the door to lock behind you.  There was no reason for the door latch to be locked back that night.

[faithlilly]

In reality people all act differently to given situations. The first reaction is to care for the injured but when the initial adrenaline dissipates and the shock subsidies then self preservation takes over.  Someone might have had the best of intentions initially but then changed their mind once the consequences impacted on them.

I have seen RTA situations constantly where the wrongdoer is so very apologetic and admits their mistake. Jump forward a short period and the response is usually very different, namely, "It wisnae my fault officer".  And that is why police are trained to take notes or statements immediately after an incident.

If Madeleine was run over I would suspect the driver was drunk, uninsured or had no licence. There is usually something else going on when a driver leaves the scene of any accident.

In that case wouldn’t he just have kept on driving ? And what did he do with the body ? Remember this is no master criminal.

[Robittybob1]

Once the front door is closed it cannot be opened from the outside without the key unless the latch is locked back. The only time it is ever locked back is when you are walking in and out and don't want the door to lock behind you.  There was no reason for the door latch to be locked back that night.

How were they "locked back"?  What action on the lever did you have to do?

[Vertigo Swirl]

In that case wouldn’t he just have kept on driving ? And what did he do with the body ? Remember this is no master criminal.

Tossed it in a bin maybe?

[Vertigo Swirl]

The Tapas group didn't claim to be checking every 30 minutes, just the McCanns did. There were two absences; one of 30 and one of 15 minutes, carried out by tall men. No one says how long the woman was gone but on her return they all left except Dianne. So assuming the woman was Kate the staff saw two men going to check between 8.30 and ten and staying away for quite a while.

The Tapas group reported 6 checks between 9 and ten; Matthew, Gerry, Jane, Russell, Matthew and Kate.

6 checks and how many sets of children.  It all adds up to me, unless you prefer to believe that the entire groupe was lying.  Let’s face it, if you were faking an abduction it would be preferable to allow for the maximum window of opportunity which these checks don’t. 

[John]

In that case wouldn’t he just have kept on driving ? And what did he do with the body ? Remember this is no master criminal.

There must be a thousand places around Luz and further afield where a small child could be concealed.  Redwood looked at a few of them already,

[John]

How were they "locked back"?  What action on the lever did you have to do?

As I understand it you put the key in the lock and turn it clockwise to retract the snib while pulling the bolt back.

[Alice Purjorick]

As I understand it you put the key in the lock and turn it clockwise to retract the snib while pulling the bolt back.

If people cannot work out how that lock works I am surprised they can ever gain access to/egress from thier own properties. Some should never be let out without their mothers.

I suppose the lock must have magical/atypical properties if one needs its attitude to fit a preconceived idea.

[Erngath]

Tossed it in a bin maybe?

Indeed.
Neither were Madeleine's parents " master criminals" !

[Robittybob1]

If people cannot work out how that lock works I am surprised they can ever gain access to/egress from thier own properties. Some should never be let out without their mothers.

I suppose the lock must have magical/atypical properties if one needs its attitude to fit a preconceived idea.

That type of latch is not common in NZ.
 The photo shows some one pulling the lever back.  I suppose it then had a part that would clip it in the pulled back position.
Why would a person need the key to do this?

[Vertigo Swirl]

I’m sorry John but I could believe that having knocked down a child you would seek help but having put them in the car and finding the medical centre closed surely you’d then drive to the nearest hospital ?

For me you either summon help via your phone or knocking on the door of a nearby house or you drive away afraid of the consequences of your actions. What you don’t do is pick up the child, thus perhaps making the injuries worse, put them in your car then fail to get them help just because the local medical centre is closed. That’s just bonkers.

But what isn’t bonkers (according to your theory) is picking up a child’s corpse and despite having blankets and bags at your disposal, carrying it uncovered in your arms through the main part of town.  No, that’s perfectly unbonkers I’m sure!

[G-Unit]

6 checks and how many sets of children.  It all adds up to me, unless you prefer to believe that the entire groupe was lying.  Let’s face it, if you were faking an abduction it would be preferable to allow for the maximum window of opportunity which these checks don’t.

You insinuated that the Tapas staff agreed with the group's version of events, They didn't. End of discussion.

[faithlilly]

Indeed.
Neither were Madeleine's parents " master criminals" !

At last !