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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #435 on: December 01, 2018, 07:52:14 AM »
How do I know?
By knowing how latch bolts are fabricated/work and looking at the plethora of photos and "comics" on this very forum.
How locks in my house work or those in the house of a bloke in the next village who knows my next door neighbour work, is irrelevant.

Hint:
First work out how the lock works then take it from there.
Do NOT start off with a prejudged condition then try to figure how the lock must work or be modified to fit the prejudgement.
You infer that you know how the latch works but you don't say it so we have no idea as to whether your claim is true.

Explain what the cylindrical rod does in the following photo?
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #436 on: December 01, 2018, 07:59:24 AM »
IMO Madeleine got to the Secondary Reception gate but found the door closed.  Kate's concept of letting Madeleine to wander over to the Tapas Restaurant if she needed mummy or daddy depended on the door remaining open.
Could that open door be guaranteed?  I don't think so.
Is it factual to say that the police are not treating the case as one of abduction as Miss Taken has claimed?
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #437 on: December 01, 2018, 08:11:46 AM »
Is it factual to say that the police are not treating the case as one of abduction as Miss Taken has claimed?
I think in terms of an abduction but the act of abduction occurred after woke and wandered.    What the police think - I'm not sure.

Kate and Gerry think in terms of a break in or at least  an exit via the window.  But why exit via window when one can just exit via the front door?
As I see it any exit via the front door would end up with an unlatched front door.  But Kate didn't find any of the rear gates or patio door wide open, nor the front door wide open.  So they can't accept Madeleine wandering as the doors and or gates weren't found open. 
It might just be too difficult for them to think that someone else (a caring individual) closed the doors or gates after Madeleine had left them open.
Can anyone accept that Kate could be confused because someone (a caring individual) closed the door/s or gate/s after Madeleine wandered?
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #438 on: December 01, 2018, 08:35:09 AM »
You infer that you know how the latch works but you don't say it so we have no idea as to whether your claim is true.

Explain what the cylindrical rod does in the following photo?

As I understand it that rod is part of the Latch bolt lock called a "dead latch plunger".

"Once the dead latch plunger is pushed in AND held in via contact with the striker plate, then the main door plunger is locked in place and will not move.....thus preventing a burglar from using a tool to push it in."
https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2686944

Why didn't Alexandre Simas say something along these lines rather than explaining that an improperly screwed in screw was providing the necessary security? 
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #439 on: December 01, 2018, 08:44:21 AM »
from this site  https://www.kwikpicklockandsafe.com/locksmith-blog/2017/4/29/when-its-not-the-lock

"If a strike plate is aligned incorrectly, the dead latch plunger can fall into the opening of the strike. How will you know? Sometimes, you can see it when you shut the door. Another method is to listen carefully: when you close the door, you might be able to hear two clicks instead of one."

Now from looking at the photos of 5A (above) it looks to me that strike plate has been opened up to be large enough that "the dead latch plunger can fall into the opening of the strike".  Hence the latch has been modified in some particular way.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #440 on: December 01, 2018, 09:33:16 AM »
Is it factual to say that the police are not treating the case as one of abduction as Miss Taken has claimed?

The police have made no comment, but there were allegedly two meetings; one in Portugal and one in Rothley. If both police forces decide that (woke and wandered) is the explanation, however, the McCann's opinion will make no difference.

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Offline jassi

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #441 on: December 01, 2018, 10:06:54 AM »
The police have made no comment, but there were allegedly two meetings; one in Portugal and one in Rothley.  If both police forces decide that (woke and wandered) is the explanation, however, the McCann's opinion will make no difference.

Agreed.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #442 on: December 01, 2018, 10:18:28 AM »
Agreed.

I was wondering what was discussed in Portugal and I thought if both forces have agreed to stop an announcement of some kind will ensue. I don't think the Met would agree to accidental death and I don't think the PJ would agree to abduction. The compromise is woke and wandered.
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Offline faithlilly

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #443 on: December 01, 2018, 10:26:25 AM »
The police have made no comment, but there were allegedly two meetings; one in Portugal and one in Rothley.  If both police forces decide that (woke and wandered) is the explanation, however, the McCann's opinion will make no difference.

I’m not sure how after 7 years woke and wandered can’t already have been ruled out.

For this to be brought to the fore at this juncture someone must either have admitted to knocking Madeleine down, someone must have seen it happen or a body has been found in a hole that was exposed at the time. Any of these would have given the investigation a conclusion to the case not merely another theory.

My theory. Abduction is off the cards.
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Offline Montclair

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #444 on: December 01, 2018, 11:05:55 AM »
I was wondering what was discussed in Portugal and I thought if both forces have agreed to stop an announcement of some kind will ensue. I don't think the Met would agree to accidental death and I don't think the PJ would agree to abduction. The compromise is woke and wandered.

Why wouldn't the Met agree to accidental death if the evidence points in that direction?

Offline G-Unit

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #445 on: December 01, 2018, 11:21:22 AM »
Why wouldn't the Met agree to accidental death if the evidence points in that direction?

I was speculating about how the two forces, lacking definitive evidence, could simultaneously close their investigations with a conclusion agreeable to both.
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Offline barrier

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #446 on: December 01, 2018, 12:13:38 PM »
I was speculating about how the two forces, lacking definitive evidence, could simultaneously close their investigations with a conclusion agreeable to both.


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Offline faithlilly

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #447 on: December 01, 2018, 12:29:56 PM »
If the two investigations merely wanted to forward an explanation which was neutral enough to be accepted by everyone why wasn’t it done years ago ? Does anyone seriously think that both the HO and the Portuguese authorities would be channeling money into the investigation if there wasn’t some serious investigating being done ?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

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Offline Brietta

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #448 on: December 01, 2018, 12:42:59 PM »
As I understand it that rod is part of the Latch bolt lock called a "dead latch plunger".

"Once the dead latch plunger is pushed in AND held in via contact with the striker plate, then the main door plunger is locked in place and will not move.....thus preventing a burglar from using a tool to push it in."
https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2686944

Why didn't Alexandre Simas say something along these lines rather than explaining that an improperly screwed in screw was providing the necessary security?

Perhaps because that was the only explanation he could come up with when investigating the lock?

In the absence of any detail about the state of the lock at the time in question ... whether or not such bolts were fitted ... all else is speculation.

Had they been there I think Alexandre Simas would have mentioned them ... bearing in mind his brief was to prove access impossible and not egress.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #449 on: December 01, 2018, 02:40:48 PM »
What wakes her, what makes her go out one door or the other?
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