Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.

[Robittybob1]

Perhaps because that was the only explanation he could come up with when investigating the lock?

In the absence of any detail about the state of the lock at the time in question ... whether or not such bolts were fitted ... all else is speculation.

Had they been there I think Alexandre Simas would have mentioned them ... bearing in mind his brief was to prove access impossible and not egress.

He is supposed to be the security expert but doesn't describe the lock -  complete fail IMO.

[Angelo222]

Possibly. I should think it as difficult to prove woke and wandered as it is to prove an abduction from 5A

Absolutely not the case as there is real evidence to support woke and wandered.

[Angelo222]

What wakes her, what makes her go out one door or the other?

Considering the intruder theory for a moment. The shutter could be pushed up from the outside but unless a potential intruder had access to the pull strap they could not get the shutter fully up. It would have been impossible to get to the strap through a closed window and that window couldn't be opened from the outside. IMO the window was opened and the shutter raised from inside and only Kate McCann's prints were found. Little wonder therefore that the police questioned their version of events imo.

[misty]

Considering the intruder theory for a moment. The shutter could be pushed up from the outside but unless a potential intruder had access to the pull strap they could not get the shutter fully up. It would have been impossible to get to the strap through a closed window and that window couldn't be opened from the outside. IMO the window was opened and the shutter raised from inside and only Kate McCann's prints were found. Little wonder therefore that the police questioned their version of events imo.

In that scenario, what would Kate's reason have been for entering the bedroom to do a visual check on the children?

[Alice Purjorick]

You infer that you know how the latch works but you don't say it so we have no idea as to whether your claim is true.

Explain what the cylindrical rod does in the following photo?

You need to know how the lock on 5A worked. So far you don't know.
Work it out from photos and "comics" [TDs] already posted or by buying a lock and stripping it.
I think I may have suggested this a year or so ago.

Is that photo relevant to 5A  ?

[G-Unit]

In that scenario, what would Kate's reason have been for entering the bedroom to do a visual check on the children?

Who said she entered the bedroom to do a visual check? Was it the same person who said the shutter was raised and the window open?

[misty]

Who said she entered the bedroom to do a visual check? Was it the same person who said the shutter was raised and the window open?

The shutter was not raised at 9pm according to Matt when he did an aural check at 5A bedroom window. Kate was at the Tapas Bar between 8.30 & 10pm. If Kate did not have cause to enter the bedroom at 10pm then how can her fingerprints on the window be associated with a woke & wandered scenario following intruder attempt?

[G-Unit]

The shutter was not raised at 9pm according to Matt when he did an aural check at 5A bedroom window. Kate was at the Tapas Bar between 8.30 & 10pm. If Kate did not have cause to enter the bedroom at 10pm then how can her fingerprints on the window be associated with a woke & wandered scenario following intruder attempt?

With great difficulty, like the moving bedroom door.

[jassi]

The shutter was not raised at 9pm according to Matt when he did an aural check at 5A bedroom window. Kate was at the Tapas Bar between 8.30 & 10pm. If Kate did not have cause to enter the bedroom at 10pm then how can her fingerprints on the window be associated with a woke & wandered scenario following intruder attempt?

At least 1 other person was in the room between Matt's listening at 9 and Kate's visit at 10

[misty]

At least 1 other person was in the room between Matt's listening at 9 and Kate's visit at 10

Neither of those people have Kate's fingerprints. In an intruder-instigated woke & wandered, why would Kate have felt the need to open the window & shutter if both appeared closed? It would have been both quicker & quieter to have gone out the front door to look for Madeleine under the assumption she had just wandered.
 If an earlier visitor had opened the window & shutter, that validates Kate's version of events at 10pm, her reason for actually entering the bedroom & touching the window.

[misty]

With great difficulty, like the moving bedroom door.

The moving bedroom door can be plausibly explained by a toilet visit & later Madeleine leaving the bedroom. However, those things are unlikely to have happened if Kate was not truthful about her reason for entering the bedroom at 10pm.

[Montclair]

Absolutely not the case as there is real evidence to support some and wandered.

What evidence? Please tell me what evidence there is, as I have missed it. IMHO, there is more evidence of an accident and hiding of a body than there is of woke and wandered.!

[Montclair]

I was wondering what was discussed in Portugal and I thought if both forces have agreed to stop an announcement of some kind will ensue. I don't think the Met would agree to accidental death and I don't think the PJ would agree to abduction. The compromise is woke and wandered.

Decisions in criminal cases are made based on evidence not on compromises which will allegedly please everyone.

[Vertigo Swirl]

The police have made no comment, but there were allegedly two meetings; one in Portugal and one in Rothley. If both police forces decide that (woke and wandered) is the explanation, however, the McCann's opinion will make no difference.

Neither police force can decide for certain that’s what happened without some pretty compelling evidence.

[G-Unit]

Decisions in criminal cases are made based on evidence not on compromises which will allegedly please everyone.

When the evidence has been investigated for years with no results decisions must be made eventually.