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Offline Brietta

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #570 on: December 02, 2018, 08:51:25 PM »
Do you have a link... It would be interesting to see what prints, were found

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/FINGERPRINTS.htm#p4p967   but I am sure there is a more comprehensive account in a summation in the files.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline faithlilly

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #571 on: December 02, 2018, 08:52:27 PM »
She says a lot of things. It comes down to who believes her...

If SY/PJ are looking at woke and wandered obviously they don’t.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #572 on: December 02, 2018, 08:53:53 PM »
If SY/PJ are looking at woke and wandered obviously they don’t.

I would agree but I don't think they are

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #573 on: December 02, 2018, 08:54:53 PM »
She says a lot of things. It comes down to who believes her...

From what I have seen both SY and the PJ do

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #574 on: December 02, 2018, 08:56:14 PM »
She says a lot of things. It comes down to who believes her...
What I've found is that anyone's story could be true.  It is when the story gets told differently over a period of time that is when it becomes evident someone is lying.  IMO this is not the case with Kate's story.


If SY/PJ are looking at woke and wandered obviously they don’t.
Faithlilly - what Kate says about her check will stand the test of time IMO.  Her conclusions are always open to discussion.
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Offline Brietta

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #575 on: December 02, 2018, 08:56:56 PM »
So why would they have Madeleines prints on a database.

They didn't ... there were no child prints found.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Brietta

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #576 on: December 02, 2018, 09:00:26 PM »

It doesn't mention adult or child.

Yes it does ...

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However IP Wiesbaden states that this sample could have been left by a woman or a youth, but not by a small girl.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/FINGERPRINTS.htm#p4p967
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline barrier

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #577 on: December 02, 2018, 09:05:36 PM »
Yes it does ...

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However IP Wiesbaden states that this sample could have been left by a woman or a youth, but not by a small girl.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/FINGERPRINTS.htm#p4p967

That was not from 5a.

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Following the collection of samples from the Ocean Club, Praia da Luz

The next section deals with 5a.

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At 11:00am on 4 May 2007 I, IT, assistant-specialist, began to examine the following location:
At apartment 5A, Ocean Club:
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #578 on: December 02, 2018, 09:28:15 PM »
If SY/PJ are looking at woke and wandered obviously they don’t.
Why “obviously “?
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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #579 on: December 03, 2018, 01:27:49 PM »
Are you talking about this photo?

Those are they. Whilst the clarity leaves something to be desired it’s possible to knock up a couple of sectional plans and elevations of what can be seen,  then work out what you should see if it works how you seem to think it does.
For example if the knob operates anything in the lock you would see the linkage or evidence of it. Nothing like that can be seen.
The knob is a single dummy having neither latching nor locking function.
The door appears to pull closed against a shoulder or weather strip. That gives a clue about using the credit card dodge.
The lock assembly shown clearly has a dead bolt in the upper part of the lock with a latch bolt in the lower. The latch bolt tongue that can be seen is a conventional fabrication where the wedge is welded or brazed to the flat  plate. ie the flat plate is NOT a plunger.
The latch bolt is likely fitted with a spring loaded manual actuator to pull it clear and hold it clear, by rotating it through 90 degrees,such that you do not lock yourself out while you are dicking about running in and out with the groceries.
There is nothing clever and nothing unusual about any of it; just basic security measures installed in an “L Cheapo” holiday apartment.

Possible attitudes are:
Latch bolt closed and dead bolt open; this requires a key to gain access from outside and manual operation of spring loaded actuator to allow egress.
Dead bolt closed and latch bolt open*; this requires a key for access or egress.
Dead bolt closed and latch bolt closed this requires key for access or egress.
•   Pure speculation on my part that this can be done.

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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #580 on: December 03, 2018, 06:44:38 PM »
Those are they. Whilst the clarity leaves something to be desired it’s possible to knock up a couple of sectional plans and elevations of what can be seen,  then work out what you should see if it works how you seem to think it does.
For example if the knob operates anything in the lock you would see the linkage or evidence of it. Nothing like that can be seen.
The knob is a single dummy having neither latching nor locking function.
The door appears to pull closed against a shoulder or weather strip. That gives a clue about using the credit card dodge.
The lock assembly shown clearly has a dead bolt in the upper part of the lock with a latch bolt in the lower. The latch bolt tongue that can be seen is a conventional fabrication where the wedge is welded or brazed to the flat  plate. ie the flat plate is NOT a plunger.
The latch bolt is likely fitted with a spring loaded manual actuator to pull it clear and hold it clear, by rotating it through 90 degrees,such that you do not lock yourself out while you are dicking about running in and out with the groceries.
There is nothing clever and nothing unusual about any of it; just basic security measures installed in an “L Cheapo” holiday apartment.

Possible attitudes are:
Latch bolt closed and dead bolt open; this requires a key to gain access from outside and manual operation of spring loaded actuator to allow egress.
Dead bolt closed and latch bolt open*; this requires a key for access or egress.
Dead bolt closed and latch bolt closed this requires key for access or egress.
•   Pure speculation on my part that this can be done.


Thanks for the reply.
The bit I still need to confirm is in italics The latch bolt tongue that can be seen is a conventional fabrication where the wedge is welded or brazed to the flat  plate. ie the flat plate is NOT a plunger.

Was this the speculative part?  The latch bolt is likely fitted with a spring loaded manual actuator to pull it clear and hold it clear, by rotating it through 90 degrees,such that you do not lock yourself out while you are dicking about running in and out with the groceries.

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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #581 on: December 03, 2018, 07:55:26 PM »
Latch of similar design

The pull lever is fitted into a rectangular hole. 
In this next version the stricker plate is larger enough to to accommodate both parts of the latch bolt, so I do accept that they didn't have a deadlatch plunger.


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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #582 on: December 03, 2018, 09:20:35 PM »

Thanks for the reply.
The bit I still need to confirm is in italics The latch bolt tongue that can be seen is a conventional fabrication where the wedge is welded or brazed to the flat  plate. ie the flat plate is NOT a plunger.

Was this the speculative part?  The latch bolt is likely fitted with a spring loaded manual actuator to pull it clear and hold it clear, by rotating it through 90 degrees,such that you do not lock yourself out while you are dicking about running in and out with the groceries.
First bit in bold: have a browse through some catalogues.
Second bit in bold: No! that is an educated guess based on what I can see and what I know about locks.
The speculation was being able to close the dead bolt and leave the latchbolt open.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #583 on: December 03, 2018, 09:44:14 PM »
First bit in bold: have a browse through some catalogues.
Second bit in bold: No! that is an educated guess based on what I can see and what I know about locks.
The speculation was being able to close the dead bolt and leave the latchbolt open.

The speculation was being able to close the dead bolt and leave the latchbolt open.  I'm wondering what that actually means. 
I think of the deadbolt as being either extended or retracted.   "close the dead bolt" would be extended.  How do you get the combination "close the dead bolt and leave the latchbolt open"? 

Would that be locking the door with the deadbolt only, the other part pulled back in the held open position?
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Offline John

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #584 on: December 04, 2018, 11:26:57 PM »

Thanks for the reply.
The bit I still need to confirm is in italics The latch bolt tongue that can be seen is a conventional fabrication where the wedge is welded or brazed to the flat  plate. ie the flat plate is NOT a plunger.

Was this the speculative part?  The latch bolt is likely fitted with a spring loaded manual actuator to pull it clear and hold it clear, by rotating it through 90 degrees,such that you do not lock yourself out while you are dicking about running in and out with the groceries.

I think you can see from the photo below that the wedge is NOT attached/welded/brazed to the flat plate.

The wedge is retracted but the flat plate is extended.

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