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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #750 on: December 09, 2018, 09:35:17 AM »
What of it?  It still involves a criminal act and body occultation, only neither perpetrated by the McCanns.  It also makes a nonsense of Martin Grime’s dogs, and the entire “parents dunnit” movement.
And if the dogs did find something is there an alternative explanation?
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #751 on: December 09, 2018, 09:39:31 AM »
And if the dogs did find something is there an alternative explanation?

I think the value of the alerts is summed up by the alert to cuddle cat

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #752 on: December 09, 2018, 09:42:46 AM »
How long as it taken you to realise that?

Just in case some numb nut brings in what are you doing here then,see my signature.


Neddie Seagoon : [discovering Eccles in the coal cellar]  What are you doing here?
Eccles : Everybody's gotta be somewhere...
  Did the driver mount the footpath?

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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #753 on: December 09, 2018, 09:45:00 AM »
I think the value of the alerts is summed up by the alert to cuddle cat
Did the McCanns ever say there should be no cadaver dog alert?
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Offline barrier

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #754 on: December 09, 2018, 09:54:11 AM »
  Did the driver mount the footpath?


In this reported scenario would he need to?
This is my own private domicile and I shall not be harassed, biatch:Jesse Pinkman Character.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #755 on: December 09, 2018, 09:55:10 AM »
Did the McCanns ever say there should be no cadaver dog alert?

The mccanns said theyberre unreliable... And they certainly are imo

Offline barrier

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #756 on: December 09, 2018, 09:56:54 AM »
Did the McCanns ever say there should be no cadaver dog alert?


Of course they couldn't,they can only deny that it was from Madeleine.
This is my own private domicile and I shall not be harassed, biatch:Jesse Pinkman Character.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #757 on: December 09, 2018, 10:03:49 AM »
Don't like an answer don't ask a question.
The thing is until you ask the question and get an answer you won’t know whether you like it or not.
« Last Edit: December 09, 2018, 06:38:36 PM by slartibartfast »
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline faithlilly

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #758 on: December 09, 2018, 10:05:08 AM »
Many moons ago i posted a serious study and American paper on the best modern methods of investigation, especially for cases which were complex and 'stuck. 
I can no longer find it on the internet and in all probability it has been wiped from the forum

This long paper, discussed the best methods of searching and the best people to do it.  In 'stuck' cases, where all the known facts and leads had been gone over repeatedly, without producing results,   It recommended LATRAL THINKING with strict adherence to basic KNOWN FACTS

It also said that Police officers were not trained to do such work; their skills base was different.

This very serious Police paper recommended that Design Engineers had the necessary skills and approach to successfully problem solve certain cases.



And, my first career was as a DESIGN ENGINEER.




You were on Forum at the time, but I doubt you bothered to read it.


Sorry, my dear, but you are out of date with modern thinking on solving the very difficult cases.


From this it seems strictly controlled Creative Investigation is the way forward.



This is all fact so no need to remove bits or splash IMO's all over it

I don’t dispute any of the above but you are pulling your information from unreliable newspaper reports, twice, and sometimes thrice, translated statements and just a smidgen of partisanship. That does not make for a strictly controlled investigation.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #759 on: December 09, 2018, 10:06:11 AM »
Did the McCanns ever say there should be no cadaver dog alert?
The question is what is the value of the alerts... Nothing imo

Offline faithlilly

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #760 on: December 09, 2018, 10:06:54 AM »
From the Expresso interview in which Pedro do Carmo emphatically reiterated that ... "Maddie's parents are not suspects. Period" ... the following question asked of him makes it clear that the 'woke and wandered' hypothesis was not one which was ever considered seriously by the Judicial Police.

Q:  Until the case was closed in 2008, there were three lines of investigation by the Judiciary Police on the case.
  • Hypothesis 1: parents accidentally killed their daughter and then hid the body.
  • Hypothesis 2: Maddie was abducted by a group linked to trafficking in minors and sold for the purpose of sexual exploitation.
  • Hypothesis 3: The child was killed after a rapture that went wrong.
Would the reopening of the case in 2013 open up more lines of investigation than the three that were followed at that time?

A:  About the investigation I can not speak.
I can say that the PJ remains convinced that there are elements that can be worked and that can lead to some results. If it is not possible to achieve this result, at least get some answers to the many questions that the case raises. In the limit, get to a point where the PJ concludes that there is nothing more to do to answer these questions.

https://expresso.sapo.pt/sociedade/2017-05-03-Pedro-do-Carmo-Os-pais-de-Maddie-nao-sao-suspeitos.-Ponto-1#gs.WuheF_k

If by some chance SY and the PJ have evidence that the answer lies with 'woke and wandered' ... why hasn't the case been wrapped up and the solution presented in the public domain?

Is this in answer to my question to you about your signature?  If not could you kindly answer it ?
« Last Edit: December 09, 2018, 09:17:50 PM by John »
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline barrier

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #761 on: December 09, 2018, 10:14:12 AM »
Many moons ago i posted a serious study and American paper on the best modern methods of investigation, especially for cases which were complex and 'stuck. 
I can no longer find it on the internet and in all probability it has been wiped from the forum

This long paper, discussed the best methods of searching and the best people to do it.  In 'stuck' cases, where all the known facts and leads had been gone over repeatedly, without producing results,   It recommended LATRAL THINKING with strict adherence to basic KNOWN FACTS

It also said that Police officers were not trained to do such work; their skills base was different.

This very serious Police paper recommended that Design Engineers had the necessary skills and approach to successfully problem solve certain cases.



And, my first career was as a DESIGN ENGINEER.




You were on Forum at the time, but I doubt you bothered to read it.


Sorry, my dear, but you are out of date with modern thinking on solving the very difficult cases.


From this it seems strictly controlled Creative Investigation is the way forward.



This is all fact so no need to remove bits or splash IMO's all over it


Operation Grange if using this creative investigation haven't exactly moved on at a rate of knots in 7+ years,they had an advantage of having information from yourself of Madeleine being alive in 2012,or am I mistaken in that.
This is my own private domicile and I shall not be harassed, biatch:Jesse Pinkman Character.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #762 on: December 09, 2018, 10:27:56 AM »

Operation Grange if using this creative investigation haven't exactly moved on at a rate of knots in 7+ years,they had an advantage of having information from yourself of Madeleine being alive in 2012,or am I mistaken in that.

We don't know what is happening with Grange.... The article suggests greater co-operation with rogatory letters no longer being needed.... That suggests progress to me

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #763 on: December 09, 2018, 10:44:04 AM »

Of course they couldn't,they can only deny that it was from Madeleine.
You need to know the science behind the alert to do that.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #764 on: December 09, 2018, 10:45:59 AM »
The question is what is the value of the alerts... Nothing imo
Indication of the past presence of a cadaver. 
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