Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.

[faithlilly]

If the PJ, aided by SY, are, as John claims, investigating woke and wondered then IMO it can only be bad for the parents.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Was the forum in a state at that time?  Either way I found it very unpleasant and made the connection to Brenda as I am sure others did too.  It certainly wasn't clear why he had the avatar and it seems he was disrespecting this forum anyway.

Why would you make the connection to Brenda and not, say, Madeleine?  In any case Eleanor is 100% correct. 

[Mr Gray]

Was the forum in a state at that time?  Either way I found it very unpleasant and made the connection to Brenda as I am sure others did too.  It certainly wasn't clear why he had the avatar and it seems he was disrespecting this forum anyway.

The fact that you and others made a incorrect connection is their problem not mine


Did you not notice another member had the avatar before me... You have been told it was directed at the state of the forum... Its clear you are mistaken in your inference

[John]

From the Expresso interview in which Pedro do Carmo emphatically reiterated that ... "Maddie's parents are not suspects. Period" ... the following question asked of him makes it clear that the 'woke and wandered' hypothesis was not one which was ever considered seriously by the Judicial Police.

Q:  Until the case was closed in 2008, there were three lines of investigation by the Judiciary Police on the case.

• Hypothesis 1: parents accidentally killed their daughter and then hid the body.
• Hypothesis 2: Maddie was abducted by a group linked to trafficking in minors and sold for the purpose of sexual exploitation.
• Hypothesis 3: The child was killed after a rapture that went wrong.

Would the reopening of the case in 2013 open up more lines of investigation than the three that were followed at that time?

A:  About the investigation I can not speak.
I can say that the PJ remains convinced that there are elements that can be worked and that can lead to some results. If it is not possible to achieve this result, at least get some answers to the many questions that the case raises. In the limit, get to a point where the PJ concludes that there is nothing more to do to answer these questions.

https://expresso.sapo.pt/sociedade/2017-05-03-Pedro-do-Carmo-Os-pais-de-Maddie-nao-sao-suspeitos.-Ponto-1#gs.WuheF_k

If by some chance SY and the PJ have evidence that the answer lies with 'woke and wandered' ... why hasn't the case been wrapped up and the solution presented in the public domain?

Could be that the penny has dropped at last since all previous endeavours have ended in a dead end.

[Mr Gray]

Could be that the penny has dropped at last since all previous endeavours have ended in a dead end.

have they failed ..ive seen no real evidence they have

[Mr Gray]

SY were asked to investigate the case.. It wasn't their choice... They have nothing to justifty... The vast money spent has been in examining and translating the vast amount of information ..they could at any time have said they had no leads to investigate.. They haven't which suggests they have

[Holly Goodhead]

Madeleine McCann police investigate theory she disappeared
after leaving holiday home to try to find her parents.

• Portuguese police are probing whether toddler woke up and walked out of flat
• Met Police's Operation Grange inquiry is separate to Portuguese detectives'
• But both met up recently to discuss possibility she was taken after wandering off
• Previous lines of investigation included a bungled burglary at the apartment

By GERARD COUZENS FOR MAILONLINE

PUBLISHED: 25 November 2018

Portuguese police are investigating the theory that Madeleine McCann disappeared after waking up and walking out of her parents' Algarve holiday apartment.

Sources close to the probe into the three-year-old's 2007 disappearance say investigators are revisiting the possibility something happened to her after she left the flat - and not inside.

The news comes after Scotland Yard's Operation Grange team told her parents Kate and Gerry McCann they are pursuing two vital new leads and not one 'final line of inquiry'.

The British and Portuguese efforts to find out what happened to the toddler are being carried out separately - but the two are believed to have met to discuss the theory.

A spokesman for Portugal's Attorney General's Office refused to comment, but a well-placed source said: 'The heads of the two police investigations are corresponding with each other directly and have combined their efforts without resorting to rogatory letters like before.

'A meeting took place recently at the HQ of the General Attorney's Office in Portugal, which was attended by the prosecutor from Portimao who is in charge of the Portuguese inquiry.

'One of the lines of investigation that continues to be pursued is that the child could have walked out of the holiday flat herself.'

Rogatory letters are ones sent to a foreign court to help in the pursuit of justice.   

The last of the six sent to the Portuguese police by their British counterparts was answered on October 25 2016, but none have been sent since.

Another well-informed insider added: 'Despite the fact there are two investigations and two different teams, the relationship between both is very healthy and well-informed and benefits from shared intelligence.'

Hinting both forces may have gone cold on the idea the youngster had been the victim of a botched burglary or a paedophile who had forced entry to snatch her, the insider said: 'The theory that Madeleine left the flat of her own accord to go looking for her parents is not something that hasn't been discussed before.

'But the Portuguese process tends to value lines of investigation that are put forward.

'Until we know for sure what happened though, no scenario is likely to be ruled out.'

A third source, referring to the absence of new rogatory letters, said: 'The pattern of direct cooperation that now exists means formal requests for international cooperation are not necessary.

'The Portuguese inquiry is still open, meaning that any new work can be executed as part of that investigation without the needs for rogatory letters.

The theory Madeline may have lost her way in the dark and taken a wrong turn as she went looking for her parents in Praia da Luz was one of the early hypotheses put forward to explain her disappearance.

It has also been suggested a panicking drink-driver might have run her over and sped off with her body before hiding it in the countryside.

Portuguese police have made no secret of their rejection of the theory championed by a British detective about Madeleine being kidnapped by thieves during a bungled burglary.

In July 2014 four Portuguese men faced a barrage of more than 250 questions while being quizzed as arguidos or formal suspects in interviews on the Algarve conducted at Scotland Yard's request.

They were questioned as part of the theory Madeleine, three when she disappeared from Praia da Luz, may have been killed during a botched break-in and her body buried on waste ground nearby.

More recently it has been suggested officers are keen to identify a woman in purple seen hanging round the holiday flat around the time Madeleine went missing.

The Home Office announced last week it would grant an extra £150,000 to Operation Grange to keep the investigation going until spring next year.

It is understood police recently told her parents during a meeting at their Leicestershire home that they were 'hopeful' of a result and were focusing on 'two specific and active' lines of inquiry, not just one as was initially thought.

Scotland Yard has refused to go public with details on what they are looking at.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6426393/Police-Portugal-investigate-theory-Madeleine-McCann-left-apartment-parents.html

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I know very little about this case but from what little I do know I think the most likely explanation is that MM wandered off and came to some harm. 

A couple of years ago I read about the case of the Beaumont children in Australia who disappeared during 1966 in the middle of the day from a public place and have never been seen since.   The children, siblings, aged between 9 and 4 took a short bus journey to visit a nearby beach which they did regularly.  Although they were unaccompanied by an adult it was considered safe to do so by the standards of the time.  The father was working and the mother at home.  Afaik there has never been any suggestion the parents were involved. 

[sadie]

It’s quite possible to chat for 5 or more minutes with someone you don’t know very well, that’s a fact.

Especially tennis players.  They are the most sociable set of people that one could ever hope to meet IMO

[John]

I know very little about this case but from what little I do know I think the most likely explanation is that MM wandered off and came to some harm. 

A couple of years ago I read about the case of the Beaumont children in Australia who disappeared during 1966 in the middle of the day from a public place and have never been seen since.   The children, siblings, aged between 9 and 4 took a short bus journey to visit a nearby beach which they did regularly.  Although they were unaccompanied by an adult it was considered safe to do so by the standards of the time.  The father was working and the mother at home.  Afaik there has never been any suggestion the parents were involved.

The internet is full of stories of toddlers getting out and wandering off on their own.  Thankfully, most are found again.

[John]

have they failed ..ive seen no real evidence they have

SY set out to find an abductor but all they have found are dead ends.

[sadie]

Kate contradicts Gerry.

3 May 2007

"After breakfast they got dressed and left the apartment by the main door. All children went walking. The veranda door was closed and locked; she doesn't know whether the main door was locked or unlocked.

At the flat they both bathed the children, and close to 6:00PM Gerry went to the tennis courts, soon after the children had finished their bath. They entered the apartment by the main door, with the key. She does not know if it was locked, and presumes it was Gerry who opened it. At lunch time they also entered by the same door."

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KATE-MCCANN_ARGUIDO.htm

I believe she is correct. It is safer to leave and return with 3 young children via the pathway to the main key door.

Why is it safer to leave by the front pathway, when there were two gates, including a child safety gate, to prevent the children from running off?

Remember the time when the children ran off.  That was via the pathway at the front.

[misty]

SY set out to find an abductor but all they have found are dead ends.

SY "found" Dr Totman, whose crucial evidence never featured in the PJ files/archiving report. IMO SY would have been curious about the reason behind that.

[Vertigo Swirl]

If the PJ, aided by SY, are, as John claims, investigating woke and wondered then IMO it can only be bad for the parents.

Wishful thinking on your part.  IMO.

[sadie]

Explain why it terminated at the lamppost opposite mini reception then and didn't go all the way to the juniors club?

It is my belief that there was an abductor (lifter) who that eavening walked that pathway from a vehicle parked near that lampost.

With the anxiety of what he was about to do, he was a bit sweaty / strong smelling.

I think that he touched the towel / blanket ... and that it was his/her scent that the dog followed.  Not Madeleines.



The dog was given the towel / blanket and knew he had to follow that scent. 

He didn't understand the word "Madeleine", he just followed the strongest strength scent.  As far as he was concerned that was Madeleines scent; he didn't know any difference

[Brietta]

Could be that the penny has dropped at last since all previous endeavours have ended in a dead end.

I think the investigation is following its course which I do not think is "woke and wandered".