Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.

[sadie]

I am intrigued Sadie.  Did you do the designing from scratch or draw up other's ideas?

Well done you if the latter.

I have an HNC Mechanical Engineering and have physically worked in most aspects of Mechanical Engineering including hours spent filing a block of metal to one inch in each dimension so that it fitted a hole in a plate that I had also very accurately filed.  I had to file each face to within one thou (one thousand of an inch).  As a joke they gave me (the only girl, amonst over 250 male apprentices) the task of filing a french curve. 

I also experienced time in most departments that led to my design job, so that I understood it all at base level and upwards.   For instance I had to learn what a good weld looked like; the necessary currents and electrodes needed  ... and strengths etc.   It was very difficult welding.   I eventually managed a decent weld horizontally, but above my head welding proved impossible for me.  Welders are VERY skilled and not to be looked down upon.  I also worked in a chemi lab, the metallury Lab, the main Research Dept.; the garage as a Grease Monkey/mechanic etc.

Perhaps my greatest challenge was working in a foundry.  Here I learned all about making the molds, heating the steel and pouring the red hot moulton steel into the casts.  Red hot sparks evetwhere!   I learned the techniques by doing everything myself, including the pattern shop.  Wow are some of the pattern makers ever skilled !!  Also the testing labs, and at the same time, the capabilities and weaknesses of castings in design.  Obviously I also learned about getting on with others of all backgrounds


This ability to appreciate and get along with all types from Labourer to Managing Director was the best lesson that I ever learned.  I really appreciated the characters at the foundry, generally rough and ready but really nice guys.



Upon completion of my apprenticeship I was lucky and was placed in one of the two senior design drawing offices, and I loved it.

I generally worked as part of a design team. 
Only on one project was I leader and I had no-one working specifically for me, except a stronger Mathematian than I, who helped with calculations and also had some drawing up of details by others, along with a tracer who transfered my pencil drawings in to permanent ink drawings (on waxed linen, I think).  In the next department was our development team who actually made prototypes full size to our designs.  Because of my knowledge and training they never questioned me.  They knew that I knew as much, in some cases more, than they did.

I am no Bell or Edison or Leonardo.  They were geniuses.  But I was a young keen Design Engineer, still learning, who worked with greater precision and integrity than some.   

Few design engineers do much "pure design" of the Edison, Leonardo type, but develop and extend others ideas.  The history of the motorcar is a fine example.  It didn't start off as an air condioned, air tight, comfy vehicle with pneumatic tyres, top speed of 100mph etc. but stage by stage it was developed by design engineers



Because of pregnancy I left this much loved job, which I was still not a senior in .. and then with children the hours were impossile .. and the engineering business was folding.  We worked 40 hour+ weeks in those days with two or three weeks holiday per year, including bank holidays.  I was not a modern mother; I wanted to be with my children as youngsters, rather than farm them out


I am very proud because I was not only the first pioneer woman engineer trained via a Nationally approved apprenticeship, BUT also three guys in the office had tried to do my sole single, hydraulically based, engineering design and had failed. 

And more important to me, my design was very successful and probably is still being used 50 years on.  Also my very good Design Office boss bought the plans/ rights (not sure what you call them) and they provided a lucrative income for him for the next 30-40 years.  Am so pleased about that.



Crikey, have I gone on.  Apologies.


MODS:  May I suggest that this post is left up for a few days and then along with Sunnys post that prompted it, taken down.  TY.      If you leave Sunnys post or any others of a similar ilk, on here, then please leave this post in response.

[sadie]

I don’t dispute any of the above but you are pulling your information from unreliable newspaper reports, twice, and sometimes thrice, translated statements and just a smidgen of partisanship. That does not make for a strictly controlled investigation.

I beg your pardon.  I dont know what you are going on about.

Cites for the sources you claim for my info would be appreciated.

[Myster]

I have an HNC Mechanical Engineering and have physically worked in most aspects of Mechanical Engineering including hours spent filing a block of metal to one inch in each dimension so that it fitted a hole in a plate that I had also very accurately filed.  I had to file each face to within one thou (one thousand of an inch).  As a joke they gave me (the only girl, amonst over 250 male apprentices) the task of filing a french curve. 

I also experienced time in most departments that led to my design job, so that I understood it all at base level and upwards.   For instance I had to learn what a good weld looked like; the necessary currents and electrodes needed  ... and strengths etc.   It was very difficult welding.   I eventually managed a decent weld horizontally, but above my head welding proved impossible for me.  Welders are VERY skilled and not to be looked down upon.  I also worked in a chemi lab, the metallury Lab, the main Research Dept.; the garage as a Grease Monkey/mechanic etc.

Perhaps my greatest challenge was working in a foundry.  Here I learned all about making the molds, heating the steel and pouring the red hot moulton steel into the casts.  Red hot sparks evetwhere!   I learned the techniques by doing everything myself, including the pattern shop.  Wow are some of the pattern makers ever skilled !!  Also the testing labs, and at the same time, the capabilities and weaknesses of castings in design.  Obviously I also learned about getting on with others of all backgrounds


This ability to appreciate and get along with all types from Labourer to Managing Director was the best lesson that I ever learned.  I really appreciated the characters at the foundry, generally rough and ready but really nice guys.



Upon completion of my apprenticeship I was lucky and was placed in one of the two senior design drawing offices, and I loved it.

I generally worked as part of a design team. 
Only on one project was I leader and I had no-one working specifically for me, except a stronger Mathematian than I, who helped with calculations and also had some drawing up of details by others, along with a tracer who transfered my pencil drawings in to permanent ink drawings (on waxed linen, I think).  In the next department was our development team who actually made prototypes full size to our designs.  Because of my knowledge and training they never questioned me.  They knew that I knew as much, in some cases more, than they did.

I am no Bell or Edison or Leonardo.  They were geniuses.  But I was a young keen Design Engineer, still learning, who worked with greater precision and integrity than some.   

Few design engineers do much "pure design" of the Edison, Leonardo type, but develop and extend others ideas.  The history of the motorcar is a fine example.  It didn't start off as an air condioned, air tight, comfy vehicle with pneumatic tyres, top speed of 100mph etc. but stage by stage it was developed by design engineers



Because of pregnancy I left this much loved job, which I was still not a senior in .. and then with children the hours were impossile .. and the engineering business was folding.  We worked 40 hour+ weeks in those days with two or three weeks holiday per year, including bank holidays.  I was not a modern mother; I wanted to be with my children as youngsters, rather than farm them out


I am very proud because I was not only the first pioneer woman engineer trained via a Nationally approved apprenticeship, BUT also three guys in the office had tried to do my sole single, hydraulically based, engineering design and had failed. 

And more important to me, my design was very successful and probably is still being used 50 years on.  Also my very good Design Office boss bought the plans/ rights (not sure what you call them) and they provided a lucrative income for him for the next 30-40 years.  Am so pleased about that.



Crikey, have I gone on.  Apologies.


MODS:  May I suggest that this post is left up for a few days and then along with Sunnys post that prompted it, taken down.  TY.      If you leave Sunnys post or any others of a similar ilk, on here, then please leave this post in response.

Crikey, yes you have rambled on, but I'm seriously, seriously impressed!   I used to do a bit of home welding years ago although always had difficulty preventing slag getting embedded in the weld, but eventually managed to build a trailer fitted with Indespension units which I still use today.

My guess is that even now you'd master CAD design in SolidWorks or Solid Edge with no problem.

[Sunny]

I have an HNC Mechanical Engineering and have physically worked in most aspects of Mechanical Engineering including hours spent filing a block of metal to one inch in each dimension so that it fitted a hole in a plate that I had also very accurately filed.  I had to file each face to within one thou (one thousand of an inch).  As a joke they gave me (the only girl, amonst over 250 male apprentices) the task of filing a french curve. 

I also experienced time in most departments that led to my design job, so that I understood it all at base level and upwards.   For instance I had to learn what a good weld looked like; the necessary currents and electrodes needed  ... and strengths etc.   It was very difficult welding.   I eventually managed a decent weld horizontally, but above my head welding proved impossible for me.  Welders are VERY skilled and not to be looked down upon.  I also worked in a chemi lab, the metallury Lab, the main Research Dept.; the garage as a Grease Monkey/mechanic etc.

Perhaps my greatest challenge was working in a foundry.  Here I learned all about making the molds, heating the steel and pouring the red hot moulton steel into the casts.  Red hot sparks evetwhere!   I learned the techniques by doing everything myself, including the pattern shop.  Wow are some of the pattern makers ever skilled !!  Also the testing labs, and at the same time, the capabilities and weaknesses of castings in design.  Obviously I also learned about getting on with others of all backgrounds


This ability to appreciate and get along with all types from Labourer to Managing Director was the best lesson that I ever learned.  I really appreciated the characters at the foundry, generally rough and ready but really nice guys.



Upon completion of my apprenticeship I was lucky and was placed in one of the two senior design drawing offices, and I loved it.

I generally worked as part of a design team. 
Only on one project was I leader and I had no-one working specifically for me, except a stronger Mathematian than I, who helped with calculations and also had some drawing up of details by others, along with a tracer who transfered my pencil drawings in to permanent ink drawings (on waxed linen, I think).  In the next department was our development team who actually made prototypes full size to our designs.  Because of my knowledge and training they never questioned me.  They knew that I knew as much, in some cases more, than they did.

I am no Bell or Edison or Leonardo.  They were geniuses.  But I was a young keen Design Engineer, still learning, who worked with greater precision and integrity than some.   

Few design engineers do much "pure design" of the Edison, Leonardo type, but develop and extend others ideas.  The history of the motorcar is a fine example.  It didn't start off as an air condioned, air tight, comfy vehicle with pneumatic tyres, top speed of 100mph etc. but stage by stage it was developed by design engineers



Because of pregnancy I left this much loved job, which I was still not a senior in .. and then with children the hours were impossile .. and the engineering business was folding.  We worked 40 hour+ weeks in those days with two or three weeks holiday per year, including bank holidays.  I was not a modern mother; I wanted to be with my children as youngsters, rather than farm them out


I am very proud because I was not only the first pioneer woman engineer trained via a Nationally approved apprenticeship, BUT also three guys in the office had tried to do my sole single, hydraulically based, engineering design and had failed. 

And more important to me, my design was very successful and probably is still being used 50 years on.  Also my very good Design Office boss bought the plans/ rights (not sure what you call them) and they provided a lucrative income for him for the next 30-40 years.  Am so pleased about that.



Crikey, have I gone on.  Apologies.


MODS:  May I suggest that this post is left up for a few days and then along with Sunnys post that prompted it, taken down.  TY.      If you leave Sunnys post or any others of a similar ilk, on here, then please leave this post in response.

Wow. Sadie I am impressed.  Well done you 

Edited to add. You were ahead of your time Sadie and I don't blame you for giving up the wonderful job to spend time nurturing your children.

[Angelo222]

That was such an impressive post Sadie and since you added such a nice request at the end, I will leave it for now.  You don't have to reply if you don't want to but out of curiosity, what sort of items did you design?

[Holly Goodhead]

The internet is full of stories of toddlers getting out and wandering off on their own.  Thankfully, most are found again.

Yes I'm sure the vast majority happening upon lost toddlers will take him/her into their care until he/she is reunited with parents or whoever is responsible.  But its a sad fact that when alone, even if only for moments, they can come to harm either accidentally or deliberately.  I'm thinking Jamie Bulger and Sarah Payne who were alone for only moments, albeit their bodies were found.  But if adults can vanish into thin air with their bodies never found eg Suzy Lamplugh and Claudia Lawrence then it surely follows a small child could just as easily 'disappear'.

[sadie]

Crikey, yes you have rambled on, but I'm seriously, seriously impressed!   I used to do a bit of home welding years ago although always had difficulty preventing slag getting embedded in the weld, but eventually managed to build a trailer fitted with Indespension units which I still use today.

My guess is that even now you'd master CAD design in SolidWorks or Solid Edge with no problem.

Thank you
.. and well done for designing and building a working trailer; especially the welding part.

Even a trailer, simple tho it seems, needs designing if it is to be strong  and efficient and be legal on the roads.  A knowledge of hitches is necessary, vehicle lighting regulations have to be adhered to and there must lots of other things to do with strength, stablity and easy loading etc. that should be calculated and tested.  I seem to remember that we designed various trailers that hydraulicly tipped their load out at one time.

Very well done for taking on the challenge and succeeeding.


As for CAD design and Solidworks, I think it would be very unlikely that I would master it now.  I am an absolute computer ignoramous.   But how i wish I was able to do it.  Thanks for the idea and encouragement.

[sadie]

That was such an impressive post Sadie and since you added such a nice request at the end, I will leave it for now.  You don't have to reply if you don't want to but out of curiosity, what sort of items did you design?

Thanks to you and sunny for your kind remarks.

I rarely knew much about where the orders came from, but we were called The Contracts Design and Drawing Office, and my thoughts are that many of our designs were produced for outside engineering companies.  We were a big company  with many thousands of employees and a wide engineering manufacturing base, but I think thta we serviced the design needs of other major companies.

Our office seemed to have projects based mainly on hydraulic power and sheet metal fabrications (steel), but we needed ancilliary knowledge about electrical units, safety, ergonomics, road traffic regulations etc.  We had a good team with wide knowledge and a good technical library.   It was a long time ago, but I can remember working on the design of a car transporter, fork lift truck, digger, combine harvester, automatic potato picker, backhoe, trailer, plough share

... and there was much excitement about an instant hitching device for trailers etc behind tractors.  I think (not sure) that the idea was born in our office and built and tested in the project workshop next door.  A relatively simple design yet it revolutionalised the fast transfer of attachments to the rear of tractors.

The car transporter,  was that exciting.  Instead of a one level transporter suddenly we had a two level one!  How they have advanced since then.  I count the cars on every transporter we go past and wish that I had been part of the team that designed it; how exciting to have fitted yet another car in.

I have gone on again, soz



Now why don't you ask Eleanor what work she did?   Amazing..  She is one hell of a girl.

[Miss Taken Identity]

If the PJ, aided by SY, are, as John claims, investigating woke and wondered then IMO it can only be bad for the parents.

Indeed. it would show them up to be using the  'story' window and snatched from bed as a cover up. A cover up of what I am not sure about. Many people are now talking about this who never used to in my circle. And  at work.  Amaral has been vindicated- no abduction.

[faithlilly]

Indeed. it would show them up to be using the  'story' window and snatched from bed as a cover up. A cover up of what I am not sure about. Many people are now talking about this who never used to in my circle. And  at work.  Amaral has been vindicated- no abduction.

It would certainly look that way.....and we must never forget that every private investigator who the parents have hired have been working on the information given, knowingly, by those self same parents. What an absolute waste of money.

[Robittybob1]

Indeed. it would show them up to be using the  'story' window and snatched from bed as a cover up. A cover up of what I am not sure about. Many people are now talking about this who never used to in my circle. And  at work.  Amaral has been vindicated- no abduction.

Don't you mean no break-in?

[Miss Taken Identity]

Don't you mean no break-in?

I mean what I say, and what Amaral and the PJ claim-  there was no moving door which gave rise to the notion that it slammed and the curtains whooshed and MBM was abducted by an intruder who entered through an alledged, by Kate, open window- never happened none of it.

The unlocked door  to enable MBM to go fetch her parents, and leaving the children alone every night does not cover a very good plot now does it? No wonder Kate forgave her 3 year old daughters abductor from her bed that night- to do terrible things to her.It is so very easy to forgive someone who doesn't even exist...

[Robittybob1]

I mean what I say, and what Amaral and the PJ claim-  there was no moving door which gave rise to the notion that it slammed and the curtains whooshed and MBM was abducted by an intruder who entered through an alledged, by Kate, open window- never happened none of it.

The unlocked door  to enable MBM to go fetch her parents, and leaving the children alone every night does not cover a very good plot now does it? No wonder Kate forgave her 3 year old daughters abductor from her bed that night- to do terrible things to her.It is so very easy to forgive someone who doesn't even exist...

Does Gerry forgive  the perpetrator too?

[Vertigo Swirl]

Does Gerry forgive  the perpetrator too?

Of course Kate never actually said she’d forgiven the perpetrator, that’s just more mischievous twisting of the facts.

[Brietta]

I mean what I say, and what Amaral and the PJ claim-  there was no moving door which gave rise to the notion that it slammed and the curtains whooshed and MBM was abducted by an intruder who entered through an alledged, by Kate, open window- never happened none of it.

The unlocked door  to enable MBM to go fetch her parents, and leaving the children alone every night does not cover a very good plot now does it? No wonder Kate forgave her 3 year old daughters abductor from her bed that night- to do terrible things to her.It is so very easy to forgive someone who doesn't even exist...

It is a lesson well worth taking on board that hatred is a terribly destructive emotion which has the ability to twist, destroy and consume.
What a pity so many who associate themselves with Madeleine's case allow themselves to be eaten up by it to their own detriment and harming none but themselves.

Indeed Madeleine's mother did say when questioned that it would be possible for her to show forgiveness for the unforgivable ...
Snip
In the early months, even years, she despised her daughter’s unknown thief. “The thought of her feeling fear and wanting and needing her mummy and daddy provoked so much pain. It still does, when I wander down that particular path.”

Kate is a practising Catholic, and when asked about forgiveness she used to say she needed to understand the motive. Now, tentatively, she feels differently.

“I think I could probably forgive Madeleine’s abductor whatever the circumstances. I don’t know whether it’s simply because I’m stronger or because there’s no benefit in not forgiving someone. I can’t change anything and I don’t want to be eaten up by hatred and bitterness. And maybe there is an element of pity – what kind of person could do something like this? Of course, forgiveness will always be easier if there is remorse.”
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/9995377/Kate-McCann-Its-dreadful-living-with-this-void.html

I think that is a healthily balanced approach and a coping mechanism to maintain sanity in an insane situation.

Do you have a cite that Kate alleged an intruder entered via the window.  My understanding is that she was of the opinion that Madeleine would have been unable to open the window and shutter to exit by herself ... similarly she would not have closed doors and gates behind her ... making the 'woke and wandered' theory highly unlikely if not an impossibility.