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Offline Eleanor

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #885 on: January 05, 2019, 10:45:42 AM »
  ... and we still don't know why Dr Totman was walking in the wrong direction.

It almost certainly wasn't Dr. Totman that Jane Tanner saw.  I can only assume that we know more about the lay out of Praia da Luz than Andy Redwood did.  But it did take us a fair old time to work it out, what with Front Doors and Back Doors.

Offline barrier

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #886 on: January 05, 2019, 10:46:24 AM »
The Portuguese police of the time were unable to determine what crime had been committed partly I believe as a direct result of the blinkered attitude taken by the investigators ... remnants of which still rears its ugly head in a time warp adhered to by some, oblivious to the fact time has moved on as far as the present investigations are concerned.


With the passing of time,the crime is still to be determined.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #887 on: January 05, 2019, 10:46:55 AM »
Same action - different person - different crime

There was, of course, something said in the very first reports that was later dropped;

"They were all sound asleep, windows shut, shutters shut," said Trish Cameron, Madeleine's aunt. "Kate went back at 10pm to check, the front door was lying open, the window had been tampered with, the shutters had been jammied open, and Madeleine was missing."
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/1may7/04-05-07-Times-Transcript.htm

The front door was lying open. As it would be of MM opened it and went out all by herself.
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Offline Brietta

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #888 on: January 05, 2019, 10:53:29 AM »

Wrong direction for what,all Redwood said was a person was in the exact same area at that time.

Does no one keep up with discussions, necessitating interminable repetition???

The Totmans were resident in apartment block four. 

Why do you think the man seen carrying a child at the periphery of block five was walking away from the direction of both block five and block four if returning to block four from the night creche?
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Brietta

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #889 on: January 05, 2019, 10:59:17 AM »
There was, of course, something said in the very first reports that was later dropped;

"They were all sound asleep, windows shut, shutters shut," said Trish Cameron, Madeleine's aunt. "Kate went back at 10pm to check, the front door was lying open, the window had been tampered with, the shutters had been jammied open, and Madeleine was missing."
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/1may7/04-05-07-Times-Transcript.htm

The front door was lying open. As it would be of MM opened it and went out all by herself.

Where exactly was Trish Cameron when relaying this information?  Glasgow I believe?  Hardly an eye witness was she?  Only a concerned relative reacting to an hysterical phone call of disastrous family news.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Brietta

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #890 on: January 05, 2019, 11:03:43 AM »

With the passing of time,the crime is still to be determined.

Madeleine is missing and two national police forces with a little help from their friends, have spent a considerable amount of time and resources finding out why.

I'm sure they have something in mind.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline jassi

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #891 on: January 05, 2019, 11:04:22 AM »
Where exactly was Trish Cameron when relaying this information?  Glasgow I believe?  Hardly an eye witness was she? Only a concerned relative reacting to an hysterical phone call of disastrous family news.

You may be right, but why would either parent say that the door was lying open if in fact it was closed?
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Offline jassi

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #892 on: January 05, 2019, 11:05:46 AM »
Madeleine is missing and two national police forces with a little help from their friends, have spent a considerable amount of time and resources finding out why.

I'm sure they have something in mind.

I'm sure having 'something in mind' wouldn't cut much ice with lawyers
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #893 on: January 05, 2019, 11:09:57 AM »
You may be right, but why would either parent say that the door was lying open if in fact it was closed?
No certainty which door is the front door in Trish Cameron's statement.
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Offline Brietta

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #894 on: January 05, 2019, 11:10:23 AM »
You may be right, but why would either parent say that the door was lying open if in fact it was closed?

You have no idea what was said to Trish in that phone call ... only her interpretation of it ... including "jemmied shutters" which neither Kate or Gerry ever said because they were there and were eye witnesses.  Trish wasn't.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Eleanor

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #895 on: January 05, 2019, 11:10:36 AM »
You may be right, but why would either parent say that the door was lying open if in fact it was closed?

I don't suppose either parent did say that.  Trish Cameron almost certainly put her own interpretation on what was said in a state of hysteria.

Offline Eleanor

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #896 on: January 05, 2019, 11:11:30 AM »
I'm sure having 'something in mind' wouldn't cut much ice with lawyers

Lawyers aren't required at the moment.

Offline jassi

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #897 on: January 05, 2019, 11:12:36 AM »
No certainty which door is the front door in Trish Cameron's statement.


I don't recall it ever being   said that the patio door was found wide open
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

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Offline Brietta

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #898 on: January 05, 2019, 11:12:56 AM »
I'm sure having 'something in mind' wouldn't cut much ice with lawyers

LOL ... I don't think I shall ever be quoted in court on that one ... do you?
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline jassi

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #899 on: January 05, 2019, 11:15:17 AM »
Lawyers aren't required at the moment.

I was think of CPS type lawyers
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future