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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #930 on: January 07, 2019, 12:47:11 PM »
Why?  She had been to the Payne apartment on an upper floor on at least one occasion.
Did he just go up one floor to the Payne's apartment or all the way to the top?
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #931 on: January 07, 2019, 12:49:02 PM »
Both are highly unlikely unless there was a clue pointing in that direction; such as an open front door.
But who found the door open?  Otherwise Madeleine left by the patio door and walked around the building and up the stairs.  That is completely in the opposite direction of going toward the Tapas.  Exiting from the patio door she is even more unlikely to go up the stairs to the top of the building.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #932 on: January 07, 2019, 02:07:35 PM »
But who found the door open?  Otherwise Madeleine left by the patio door and walked around the building and up the stairs.  That is completely in the opposite direction of going toward the Tapas.  Exiting from the patio door she is even more unlikely to go up the stairs to the top of the building.

According to Gerry's sister on 4th May;

"Kate went back at 10pm to check, the front door was lying open, the window had been tampered with, the shutters had been jammied open, and Madeleine was missing."
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/1may7/04-05-07-Times-Transcript.htm

I assume she was repeating what she had been told at 23.40 when her brother phoned her.  Her account differs from that of Kate's parents as they mentioned the broken shutters but not the open front door. They were called just after midnight.

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Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #933 on: January 07, 2019, 02:10:25 PM »
This comment has no logic and makes no sense.

Yes I agree Eleanor. None of their statements and behaviour makes any sense what so ever IMO.
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Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #934 on: January 07, 2019, 02:14:35 PM »
According to Gerry's sister on 4th May;

"Kate went back at 10pm to check, the front door was lying open, the window had been tampered with, the shutters had been jammied open, and Madeleine was missing."
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/1may7/04-05-07-Times-Transcript.htm

I assume she was repeating what she had been told at 23.40 when her brother phoned her.  Her account differs from that of Kate's parents as they mentioned the broken shutters but not the open front door. They were called just after midnight.

Yes it is interesting  how stories don't collaborate properly. One would wonder who opened the front door (did Gerry use this door when he made his visit- if not did he notice if it was open?) AND why would MBM go out the front door and up the stairs in her bare feet and jammies? did someone take her upstairs?
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Offline jassi

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #935 on: January 07, 2019, 02:18:52 PM »
But who found the door open?  Otherwise Madeleine left by the patio door and walked around the building and up the stairs.  That is completely in the opposite direction of going toward the Tapas. Exiting from the patio door she is even more unlikely to go up the stairs to the top of the building.

Not something I had previously considered, but yes, why search upstairs for her if there was no chance that she could have exited by the door  facing the car park.
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Offline Brietta

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #936 on: January 07, 2019, 03:19:29 PM »
Not something I had previously considered, but yes, why search upstairs for her if there was no chance that she could have exited by the door  facing the car park.

The window was open and the shutter raised.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #937 on: January 07, 2019, 03:22:18 PM »
The window was open and the shutter raised.

There is no independant witness to  confirm this was done by an intruder or stranger. This is what Kate claims.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #938 on: January 07, 2019, 03:29:33 PM »
Not something I had previously considered, but yes, why search upstairs for her if there was no chance that she could have exited by the door  facing the car park.

This is how Rachael described it. She does mention the possibility of wandering off ;

maybe about ten thirty or something, Gerry and I looked at, up at the stairwell and kind of across all the floors of the block that we were in, erm and that was really the, that was all the searching that I really did, just up the stairs, I think they were five floors or something'.

1578 'And that was just you and''
 Reply 'And Gerry'.

1578 'And what time was this''
 Reply 'Erm I mean that would have been you know about half ten or something like that, erm and then'.
 1578 'What was Gerry saying''
 Reply 'Erm I don't know, I don't remember, erm no I don't remember in particular, erm'.

1578 'And how long did you spend doing that search''
 Reply 'It was just really a quick you know, it would have been about five minutes, it was just up the flights and along the, you know the sort of verandas in front of the apartments, erm but there wasn't really anywhere you know, somebody could hide, well you know, if Madeleine had sort of wandered by herself, erm you know there were just really open corridors that we were just kind of looking to see if there was anything down there, erm'.......

Reply 'I mean only just searching the steps and the other floors with Gerry'.

1578 'Just yourself and Gerry''
 Reply 'Yeah'.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RACHAEL-OLDFIELD-ROGATORY.htm

The GNR dogs followed a trail beginning at the front door of 5A too.
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Offline jassi

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #939 on: January 07, 2019, 03:49:38 PM »
Where was Rachel's child at this point ? Is this mentioned anywhere?
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Offline barrier

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #940 on: January 07, 2019, 04:00:01 PM »
The window was open and the shutter raised.

What if it was,its not the be all and end all of how Madeleine is supposed to have left 5a,if OG are looking at woke and wandered what part would an open window play in that?
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #941 on: January 07, 2019, 04:24:21 PM »
Where was Rachel's child at this point ? Is this mentioned anywhere?

Sleeping in their apartment, apparently.
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Offline jassi

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #942 on: January 07, 2019, 04:35:31 PM »
Sleeping in their apartment, apparently.

Alone !! ?
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

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Offline barrier

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #943 on: January 07, 2019, 05:50:15 PM »
This is my own private domicile and I shall not be harassed, biatch:Jesse Pinkman Character.

Offline niklasericson

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #944 on: January 07, 2019, 06:13:24 PM »
Matt went to call the police at the main reception.  OK IMO as far as Kate was concerned this was the quickest way to call the police, but for some reason the call was never made.
Gerry said in BBC 4 Radio in September 2018:
"You're in this quiet little holiday resort - that seemed idyllic - out of season and I certainly didn't speak Portuguese so I asked [our friend] Matt to go to reception and ask them to call the police."
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-45694119

As we can see from the phone records was this phonecall made from the OC reception to GNR at 22:41.
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