Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.

[Robittybob1]

How did she know it was the right thing? If, as she feared, she was about to be kidnapped by the abductor she was in danger of doing something wrong imo.

Where did you get the idea she (Jane) was afraid she was about to be kidnapped by the abductor?

[niklasericson]

As I said before, the woke and wandered is a very plausible scenario if we are to believe their own stories from May 3rd.
The timing is correct in relation to the discrepant information that two elements gave to the Police.
Door unlocked, Fiona stated that Kate said it was better if she woke up and went out to looking for them, no lock on the lower securitygate and the upper "Securitygate" was of poor quality from my own experience and we don't even know if it was secured.
It took only 13 steps from the patio to get hit by a car , how long does that take?
Seconds.
IMO therefore this obviously means that the window was opened to stage an abduction.

[Vertigo Swirl]

As I said before, the woke and wandered is a very plausible scenario if we are to believe their own stories from May 3rd.
The timing is correct in relation to the discrepant information that two elements gave to the Police.
Door unlocked, Fiona stated that Kate said it was better if she woke up and went out to looking for them, no lock on the lower securitygate and the upper "Securitygate" was of poor quality from my own experience and we don't even know if it was secured.
It took only 13 steps from the patio to get hit by a car , how long does that take?
Seconds.

IMO therefore this obviously means that the window was opened to stage an abduction.

Sorry but your last sentence makes no sense.

[Robittybob1]

As I said before, the woke and wandered is a very plausible scenario if we are to believe their own stories from May 3rd.
The timing is correct in relation to the discrepant information that two elements gave to the Police.
Door unlocked, Fiona stated that Kate said it was better if she woke up and went out to looking for them, no lock on the lower securitygate and the upper "Securitygate" was of poor quality from my own experience and we don't even know if it was secured.
It took only 13 steps from the patio to get hit by a car , how long does that take?
Seconds.

IMO therefore this obviously means that the window was opened to stage an abduction.

Don't jump to conclusions too quick.
Your conclusion "This obviously means that the window was opened to stage an abduction." 

Who found the body?  Who knew about the accident.   Who opened the window?  What time was this accident?

[G-Unit]

Where did you get the idea she (Jane) was afraid she was about to be kidnapped by the abductor?

we were obviously worried about the Press and everything at that point, we thought it could be anybody, you know, trying to ring, and at that point I thought it could even be the person I saw ringing.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JANE_TANNER_RIGATORY.htm

[Robittybob1]

we were obviously worried about the Press and everything at that point, we thought it could be anybody, you know, trying to ring, and at that point I thought it could even be the person I saw ringing.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JANE_TANNER_RIGATORY.htm

I had a feeling you were referring to that.  So that means Jane even thought for a moment the PJ and whoever Bob Small was were potentially kidnappers.
I suppose that can happen, if someone goes missing and you don't know why, you might get  suspicious of everyone.

[G-Unit]

I had a feeling you were referring to that.  So that means Jane even thought for a moment the PJ and whoever Bob Small was were potentially kidnappers.
I suppose that can happen, if someone goes missing and you don't know why, you might get  suspicious of everyone.

He said Spanish police, not the PJ

Bob SMALL rang, erm, rang me on my phone and sort of said, well he scared the living daylights out of me, because rather than saying ‘The Portuguese Police want to talk to you’, or you know, ‘I want to pick you up to see the Portuguese Police’, he said ‘I need to pick you up and take you to see the Spanish Police
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JANE_TANNER_RIGATORY.htm

[Robittybob1]

He said Spanish police, not the PJ

Bob SMALL rang, erm, rang me on my phone and sort of said, well he scared the living daylights out of me, because rather than saying ‘The Portuguese Police want to talk to you’, or you know, ‘I want to pick you up to see the Portuguese Police’, he said ‘I need to pick you up and take you to see the Spanish Police
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JANE_TANNER_RIGATORY.htm

So why would he do that?  Who was Bob Small?

[G-Unit]

So why would he do that?  Who was Bob Small?

You may well ask. A Leicestershire policeman.

[niklasericson]

Sorry but your last sentence makes no sense.

Kate claimed the window was opened and the shutters were raised.
Who opened up the window and raised the shutters if she woke up and wandered?

[Miss Taken Identity]

You may well ask. A Leicestershire policeman.

Well spotted G.

So thinking she was going to be kidknapped she went alone anyway... OK who believes this kidknapping cr@p.


"Kate claimed the window was opened and the shutters were raised.
Who opened up the window and raised the shutters if she woke up and wandered?"

Yes indeed. Who...
And who else saw them open and who closed them.

Gerry had an afterthought about the abducter in the flat at the same time as he, if that ws the case why did the door not slam and curtains whoosh when he was in checking his daughter who was on top of the covers...

They just expect any old bit of rubbish they say to be taken at face value.

[jassi]

Well spotted G.

So thinking she was going to be kidknapped she went alone anyway... OK who believes this kidknapping cr@p.


"Kate claimed the window was opened and the shutters were raised.
Who opened up the window and raised the shutters if she woke up and wandered?"

Yes indeed. Who...
And who else saw them open and who closed them.

Gerry had an afterthought about the abducter in the flat at the same time as he, if that ws the case why did the door not slam and curtains whoosh when he was in checking his daughter who was on top of the covers...

They just expect any old bit of rubbish they say to be taken at face value.

They just didn't imagine any of it would come under public scrutiny in the way that it has - IMO

[Miss Taken Identity]

They just didn't imagine any of it would come under public scrutiny in the way that it has - IMO

Yes!

Abraham Lincoln Quotes. "You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time".
 

[Angelo222]

I just had to repost my earlier comment on another board as I feel that it highly significant to this discussion.

Gerry McCann - PJ Statement dated 10 May 2007

"Despite what he said in his previous statements, he states now and with certainty, that he left with KATE by the rear door which he consequently closed but did not lock given that that is only possible from the inside. Referring to the front door, while he is certain that it was closed it is unlikely that it was locked as [because] they had left by the rear door."

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-10MAY.htm

Seems the rear door (the patio door) was unlocked as was the front door to the car park which for the benefit of those who don't already understand means that the front door could be opened easily from the inside. 

The two GNR trackers dogs called in to find Maddie's scent trail a matter of hours after her disappearance followed her fresh scent out that front door. If ever there was evidence of woke and wandered then this is it imo.

[Mr Gray]

I just had to repost my earlier comment on another board as I feel that it highly significant to this discussion.

Gerry McCann - PJ Statement dated 10 May 2007

"Despite what he said in his previous statements, he states now and with certainty, that he left with KATE by the rear door which he consequently closed but did not lock given that that is only possible from the inside. Referring to the front door, while he is certain that it was closed it is unlikely that it was locked as [because] they had left by the rear door."

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-10MAY.htm

Seems the rear door (the patio door) was unlocked as was the front door to the car park which for the benefit of those who don't already understand means that the front door could be opened easily from the inside. 

The two GNR trackers dogs called in to find Maddie's scent trail a matter of hours after her disappearance followed her fresh scent out that front door. If ever there was evidence of woke and wandered then this is it imo.

Yet the archiving report labelled it highly unlikely