Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.

[Admin]

I just had to repost my earlier comment on another board as I feel that it highly significant to this discussion.

Gerry McCann - PJ Statement dated 10 May 2007

"Despite what he said in his previous statements, he states now and with certainty, that he left with KATE by the rear door which he consequently closed but did not lock given that that is only possible from the inside. Referring to the front door, while he is certain that it was closed it is unlikely that it was locked as [because] they had left by the rear door."

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-10MAY.htm

Seems the rear door (the patio door) was unlocked as was the front door to the car park which for the benefit of those who don't already understand means that the front door could be opened easily from the inside. 

The two GNR trackers dogs called in to find Maddie's scent trail a matter of hours after her disappearance followed her fresh scent out that front door. If ever there was evidence of woke and wandered then this is it imo.

I believe you underestimate the significance of that second statement in which the missing child's father had to admit that neither doors to the holiday apartment were locked.  I must admit I previously failed to take this on board.

[Carana]

I believe you underestimate the significance of that second statement in which the missing child's father had to admit that neither doors to the holiday apartment were locked.  I must admit I previously failed to take this on board.

I don't find it necessarily odd at all. A detail in what got noted down could easily have just been a lost-in-confusion moment that needed to be clarified.

[Robittybob1]

I believe you underestimate the significance of that second statement in which the missing child's father had to admit that neither doors to the holiday apartment were locked.  I must admit I previously failed to take this on board.

The front door still required a key to open it from the outside, so in all appearance it was "locked" as far as an intruder goes.

[Eleanor]

There was such a mess in the beginning that no one knew which was front or back.  But the front definitely needed a key to get in from outside, once we had all sussed which door anyone was talking about.

At the time I opined that someone could have crept up the Patio Steps unseen.  I still think that this was possible.

[Robittybob1]

There was such a mess in the beginning that no one knew which was front or back.  But the front definitely needed a key to get in from outside, once we had all sussed which door anyone was talking about.

At the time I opined that someone could have crept up the Patio Steps unseen.  I still think that this was possible.

So is that still part of woke and wandered?

[Carana]

The front door still required a key to open it from the outside, so in all appearance it was "locked" as far as an intruder goes.

In the burglary a few weeks prior in the same block (?), I presume the guests didn't leave the door wide open when they went out for dinner.

[Eleanor]

So is that still part of woke and wandered?

No.  IMO, someone crept up the back Patio Steps, got in and then abducted Madeleine and took her out of the front door.  The open window could well have been an escape route if the abductor had been caught at it.

It's all quite simple, albeit a bit risky, but it was always going to be that.

[Robittybob1]

In the burglary a few weeks prior in the same block (?), I presume the guests didn't leave the door wide open when they went out for dinner.

We would need to know what facts were established.  E.g. was there a break in?

[Robittybob1]

No.  IMO, someone crept up the back Patio Steps, got in and then abducted Madeleine and took her out of the front door.  The open window could well have been an escape route if the abductor had been caught at it.

It's all quite simple, albeit a bit risky, but it was always going to be that.

OK that is an intruder theory.  My objection to that scenario  is did the intruder close all the gates and doors behind him?

[Eleanor]

OK that is an intruder theory.  My objection to that scenario  is did the intruder close all the gates and doors behind him?

Wouldn't you if you didn't want to leave any obvious signs from outside for someone else to see?

[Robittybob1]

Wouldn't you if you didn't want to leave any obvious signs from outside for someone else to see?

No, if I was do the intruding to kidnap a kid I think having a clear escape route would be very important as well.

[Eleanor]

No, if I was do the intruding to kidnap a kid I think having a clear escape route would be very important as well.

The Abductor was never going to take Madeleine out by The Patio Door.  And if he couldn't get out of the front door then there was always the window.

There was always likely to be an accomplice.  You don't tackle that sort of exercise alone.

Also, the child seen by Jane Tanner being carried  was opposite to how she would have been picked up from her bed.

[Robittybob1]

The Abductor was never going to take Madeleine out by The Patio Door.  And if he couldn't get out of the front door then there was always the window.

There was always likely to be an accomplice.  You don't tackle that sort of exercise alone.

Also, the child seen by Jane Tanner being carried  was opposite to how she would have been picked up from her bed.

Iwas thinking more in terms of miscalculation about no adults being present in the apartment.  The intruder could get to the patio door and find an adult there and he has to make a hasty escape.

[Eleanor]

Iwas thinking more in terms of miscalculation about no adults being present in the apartment.  The intruder could get to the patio door and find an adult there and he has to make a hasty escape.

Dear Rob,  And No, I don't think you are stupid.  You do am amazing job keeping this Forum going.  I am only good at it some of the time.

I have thought that if the abductor was caught in the bedroom then he could always dive out of the window.  The bedroom was always the most risky place.  No escape except for the window.

I must say that I haven't much changed my mind from my original thoughts, although I have given some thought to it all.

[Mr Gray]

Dear Rob,  And No, I don't think you are stupid.  You do am amazing job keeping this Forum going.  I am only good at it some of the time.

I have thought that if the abductor was caught in the bedroom then he could always dive out of the window.  The bedroom was always the most risky place.  No escape except for the window.

I must say that I haven't much changed my mind from my original thoughts, although I have given some thought to it all.