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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #1140 on: June 06, 2019, 09:57:39 PM »
Dear Rob,  And No, I don't think you are stupid.  You do am amazing job keeping this Forum going.  I am only good at it some of the time.

I have thought that if the abductor was caught in the bedroom then he could always dive out of the window.  The bedroom was always the most risky place.  No escape except for the window.

I must say that I haven't much changed my mind from my original thoughts, although I have given some thought to it all.
It has been an enormous effort.  Three years now full time.
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Offline Eleanor

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #1141 on: June 06, 2019, 09:59:53 PM »
It has been an enormous effort.  Three years now full time.

Yes, Love, we do try, no matter what some think.  I can't remember how long I have been trying.

Offline Carana

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #1142 on: June 06, 2019, 10:29:16 PM »
It has been an enormous effort.  Three years now full time.

Blimey. How time flies.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #1143 on: June 06, 2019, 10:32:53 PM »
Blimey. How time flies.
I spent 10 years on the Scott Watson case and basically made no difference in the end, so I wasn't looking forward to another case.  This is one of the most difficult cases really because it is really hard to define what happened.
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Offline barrier

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #1144 on: June 07, 2019, 06:26:24 AM »
.  This is one of the most difficult cases really because it is really hard to define what happened.
Ain't that the truth.
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Offline The General

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #1145 on: June 07, 2019, 10:57:54 AM »
It has been an enormous effort.  Three years now full time.
What? Full time? What about the sick animals? Think of the sick animals......
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #1146 on: June 07, 2019, 02:44:12 PM »
What? Full time? What about the sick animals? Think of the sick animals......
I resigned, and after considering going back to practice I thought I might chance myself at solving the McCann case. 

Where I have got up to is the door at the secondary reception.  If Madeleine woke and wandered and got this far how come she didn't get through the door?  Had someone closed the door to keep uninvited guests out?

So I'm tending to think of an abduction from the car park opposite the entrance at this stage.

The arrival of the Executive Chef  to the Tapas Restaurant preceded Madeleine  going missing.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ARLINDO-PELEGA.htm

He would have had the authority to close the door.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #1147 on: June 07, 2019, 06:40:59 PM »
I resigned, and after considering going back to practice I thought I might chance myself at solving the McCann case. 

Where I have got up to is the door at the secondary reception.  If Madeleine woke and wandered and got this far how come she didn't get through the door?  Had someone closed the door to keep uninvited guests out?

So I'm tending to think of an abduction from the car park opposite the entrance at this stage.

The arrival of the Executive Chef  to the Tapas Restaurant preceded Madeleine  going missing.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ARLINDO-PELEGA.htm

He would have had the authority to close the door.

Yes, the chef arrived at 21:10 and left at 21:40. When he heft the group's table was empty apart from some items; mostly clothing. If his times are correct then perhaps Helder Luis was correct too;

he was on duty and was contacted by a member of staff from the Tapas Restaurant between 09.30 and 22.00 who informed him that the daughter of some guests who were dining there had disappeared.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/HELDER_LUIS.htm

I can't imagine why he would want to close the entrance door.
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Offline misty

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #1148 on: June 07, 2019, 11:59:30 PM »
Yes, the chef arrived at 21:10 and left at 21:40. When he heft the group's table was empty apart from some items; mostly clothing. If his times are correct then perhaps Helder Luis was correct too;

he was on duty and was contacted by a member of staff from the Tapas Restaurant between 09.30 and 22.00 who informed him that the daughter of some guests who were dining there had disappeared.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/HELDER_LUIS.htm

I can't imagine why he would want to close the entrance door.

This may be a daft question after all these years but can anyone link me to the names of the chefs at the Millenium/Mirage who were on duty between 7.30pm & 11.30pm who would have been told by Pelega what had occurred in the Tapas Bar that night?

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #1149 on: June 08, 2019, 04:17:23 AM »
Yes, the chef arrived at 21:10 and left at 21:40. When he heft the group's table was empty apart from some items; mostly clothing. If his times are correct then perhaps Helder Luis was correct too;

he was on duty and was contacted by a member of staff from the Tapas Restaurant between 09.30 and 22.00 who informed him that the daughter of some guests who were dining there had disappeared.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/HELDER_LUIS.htm

I can't imagine why he would want to close the entrance door.
To me his times appear to be out. 
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #1150 on: June 08, 2019, 04:19:53 AM »
This may be a daft question after all these years but can anyone link me to the names of the chefs at the Millenium/Mirage who were on duty between 7.30pm & 11.30pm who would have been told by Pelega what had occurred in the Tapas Bar that night?
Did he go back to work?  You would think that someone at the Tapas Restaurant would also note the arrival of the Executive Chef. 
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #1151 on: June 08, 2019, 07:43:48 AM »
This may be a daft question after all these years but can anyone link me to the names of the chefs at the Millenium/Mirage who were on duty between 7.30pm & 11.30pm who would have been told by Pelega what had occurred in the Tapas Bar that night?

Peleja doesn't say where he went when he left; he may have gone home. His statement isn't listed under 'Millennium', so I assume he worked in a separate place.

It seems there were 5 kitchens. Peleja worked in the 'main' one, near the Mirage. The only other person who says he worked there was Antonio Ginjeira, a chef. He left work between 9 and 10 that evening.

So there was this main or central kitchen, then the Millennium and Tapas kitchens. The people working there are described as cooks, rather than chefs. Where the other kitchens were I don't know., but my guess us they were attached to swimming pools.

I don't know what these two did in that kitchen or who they cooked for. The Mirage wasn't part of OC as far as I know, it was owned by David Jones.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #1152 on: June 08, 2019, 08:04:00 AM »
I dreamt last night that me and my family went on holiday with G-Unit and her family.  We stayed in London in a converted factory close to Heathrow.  We both had lots of children and there was a large tortoise under one of the children’s beds.  G-Unit was rather frosty towards me, but otherwise we all got on splendidly.  Just thought you’d like to know.   @)(++(*
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #1153 on: June 08, 2019, 09:15:28 AM »
I dreamt last night that me and my family went on holiday with G-Unit and her family.  We stayed in London in a converted factory close to Heathrow.  We both had lots of children and there was a large tortoise under one of the children’s beds.  G-Unit was rather frosty towards me, but otherwise we all got on splendidly.  Just thought you’d like to know.   @)(++(*

I have just 3 children. Perhaps I brought my 8 grabdchildren and their 11 children with me? We didn't bring the tortoise.
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Offline The General

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #1154 on: June 08, 2019, 12:32:38 PM »
No.  IMO, someone crept up the back Patio Steps, got in and then abducted Madeleine and took her out of the front door.  The open window could well have been an escape route if the abductor had been caught at it.

It's all quite simple, albeit a bit risky, but it was always going to be that.
Apologies for exhuming a post 2 days old, but I've been reading back.
Why would an abductor require 3 egress points be made available, given the additional time, trouble and effort, plus disruption and noise?
Knowing a few ex-housebreakers (council estate upbringing / questionable judgement of friends), if they could open another door or large window from the inside easily, they would, but in the main they would go out the way they came in. They had many little techniques, such as using a shovel to lever patio doors, using that same shovel to place on the stairs for a roused occupant to stumble over. They generally would be opportunistic. They would rarely enter an occupied house unless they had additional knowledge of the occupants. They would avoid houses where the comings and goings were frequent, but would have a quick go at a gaff if they saw the occupants routinely leaving doors unlocked.
Doesn't matter if you're stealing a JVC VCR, a Faberge egg or a 3 year old girl, the risks of being disturbed and methods are the same.
Was the front door a Yale type lock or mortice, or both? Was it possible to open the front door from the inside without a key?
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