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Offline Eleanor

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #1200 on: June 08, 2019, 04:33:29 PM »
Simple yes but unsupported by any evidence.

We can all only guess, but the guesses have to contain some sort of logic.

Why would Kate say the window was open and then shut it if she was setting a scene?

Offline Brietta

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #1201 on: June 08, 2019, 04:35:54 PM »
MO checked the bedroom at 9-30,no mention of an open window and raised shutter.
Partially raised shutter doesn't allow for an adult to pass through does it?

You do know that Gerry lowered the shutter then tried to raise it from outside ???
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Offline John

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #1202 on: June 08, 2019, 04:41:53 PM »
These? its hardly showing any locking mechanism that it can be fully locked open.Perhaps cuddle cat was the target with that small gap.

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/5A_PHOTO_REPORT.htm

The shutter is locked up at any time by pulling the strap vertically and releasing it. To release shutter you pull the strap at an angle then release strap slowly as shutter descends.
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Offline John

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #1203 on: June 08, 2019, 04:45:26 PM »
If you parked at the gate and left by the front door you end up with a 50 meter walk back to your car carrying a child.   I wouldn't do that.

The problem with leaving via the front door is that you need the key to close it from the outside, or you can close it the same way you opened it from the inside.

Any  thought that it was a just a quick job to pick up Madeleine is upset if Madeleine is already out of her bed or worse still if she leaves by the front door as the intruder is entering via the patio door.

No you don't, it's a snib lock, you just pull the door behind you as you leave. You need a key to open it again from the outside however you don't need a key to open it from the inside as such would constitute a fire safety issue.
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Offline Brietta

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #1204 on: June 08, 2019, 04:49:54 PM »
Headstart and confusion.

Headstart because it takes anyone arriving longer to work out that there is something amiss.

Confusion, because no one can really work out what happened, just like we can't.

However, carrying Madeleine down the rear steps of 5A whilst closing doors & gates is challenging.

It is also something that once again, we have only Kate to rely upon.

We have a witness who saw a man carrying a child immediately after we know Gerry saw Madeleine sleeping ... another witness noted the light behind the curtain after the last sighting of Madeleine suggesting an open shutter.

Simplest is best ... and agreed, there is nothing simple about carrying a child down a flight of stairs while closing door and gates behind one.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline John

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #1205 on: June 08, 2019, 04:50:21 PM »
There was evidence to show the front door was made so that it could not just be slammed shut,  It had to be shut using a key from the outside or the lever from the inside.  There is a video of people using this type of lock.

The front door closes when pulled shut, you don't need a key.  Evidenced by the fact that the McCanns left the key on the kitchen worktop when they went out to the tapas since they didn't need it to get back in again.
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Offline John

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #1206 on: June 08, 2019, 04:52:33 PM »
These gates and the patio door were shut when Kate went to check at 10pm.

Yet more support for the theory that she just walked out the front door.  The simplest theories usually turn out to be the correct ones.
« Last Edit: June 08, 2019, 04:54:34 PM by John »
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Offline The General

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #1207 on: June 08, 2019, 04:52:46 PM »
No you don't, it's a snib lock, you just pull the door behind you as you leave. You need a key to open it again from the outside however you don't need a key to open it from the inside as such would constitute a fire safety issue.
So as a hotel apartment, with the front door having 2 locks, the keys will both be on the same fob, but really, you only need to pull the door to?
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Offline barrier

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #1208 on: June 08, 2019, 04:52:50 PM »
The evidence was the kidnapped child.

Think of the logistics of the situation as far as your criminal contacts might have viewed them.

Once the intruder had passed the child to an accomplice ... all s/he had to do was to slip out unencumbered ... easily done by all accounts.
Only Jane Tanner saw anything ... but not until she heard that Madeleine was missing did she realise the significance.

Redwood was almost certain it wasn't significant.
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Offline barrier

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #1209 on: June 08, 2019, 04:56:23 PM »
The front door closes when pulled shut, you don't need a key.  Evidenced by the fact that the McCanns left the key on the kitchen worktop when they went out to the tapas since they didn't need it to get back in again.


According to Rob a key is needed.

There was evidence to show the front door was made so that it could not just be slammed shut,  It had to be shut using a key from the outside or the lever from the inside.  There is a video of people using this type of lock.
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Offline The General

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #1210 on: June 08, 2019, 04:58:04 PM »
Redwood was almost certain it wasn't significant.
For your common or garden, simple abduction there's absolutely no need to pass the child through the window. What for? You've got two very simple means of access and egress, one of which is on the same elevation as the front door.
I can imagine the conservation as Jimmy starts messing about with the window - ...'dude, just open the door FFS, what are you even doing?' What are we saying if that's the case, there's now 3 dudes in on it?




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Offline barrier

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #1211 on: June 08, 2019, 04:58:52 PM »
We can all only guess, but the guesses have to contain some sort of logic.

Why would Kate say the window was open and then shut it if she was setting a scene?


MO looked in on the twins @9-30,no mention of a window or shutter open.
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Offline Eleanor

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #1212 on: June 08, 2019, 05:00:46 PM »

MO looked in on the twins @9-30,no mention of a window or shutter open.

He probably didn't notice.  It wasn't his apartment.

Offline Brietta

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #1213 on: June 08, 2019, 05:00:50 PM »
Redwood was almost certain it wasn't significant.

No ... DCI Redwood was of the opinion Dr Totman was "almost certainly" the man seen by Jane Tanner ... which imo was a highly significant thing to say.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline barrier

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #1214 on: June 08, 2019, 05:01:54 PM »
For your common or garden, simple abduction there's absolutely no need to pass the child through the window. What for? You've got two very simple means of access and egress, one of which is on the same elevation as the front door.
I can imagine the conservation as Jimmy starts messing about with the window - ...'dude, just open the door FFS, what are you even doing?' What are we saying if that's the case, there's now 3 dudes in on it?

Why use the easy option,when theres a difficult window and shutter to navigate.
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