Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.

[Vertigo Swirl]

I think the General is one of the most logical posters here.

I agree.  It makes a refreshing change to debate the case with someone who is logical.  PS: what’s with the 2001 monolith avatar?

[The General]

I agree.  It makes a refreshing change to debate the case with someone who is logical.

You guys.
If I approved of using emojis I'd pull out the 'blushing' one.

[Vertigo Swirl]

You guys.
If I approved of using emojis I'd pull out the 'blushing' one.

There isn’t one (major oversight).   

[The General]

An abductor is not to know that.  Frankly I’ve never heard of a burglar or abductor locking themselves into a house they’re burgling, that seems most unlikely to me.

I understand. But if, as you have suggested, the main access / egress point is the patio doors, and they're being routinely used for a checking process to allow access for a few different people, and you suss that - and you know it's left open  - you would be remiss not to use it. Locking it behind you and walking out of the front door with your abductee would encumber someone popping in. Yes, the alarm bells would go off, but there's no real difference in finding something not being right  - maybe 30 seconds, but it could be crucial.
That's not how I think it went down, I'm just trying to think like our Jimmy and his oppos.

Actually, just realised, I didn't answer the previous point.
If you know it can't be opened from the outside, you should lock it. Means they've got to go round.

[Vertigo Swirl]

I understand. But if, as you have suggested, the main access / egress point is the patio doors, and they're being routinely used for a checking process to allow access for a few different people, and you suss that - and you know it's left open  - you would be remiss not to use it. Locking it behind you and walking out of the front door with your abductee would encumber someone popping in. Yes, the alarm bells would go off, but there's no real difference in finding something not being right  - maybe 30 seconds, but it could be crucial.
That's not how I think it went down, I'm just trying to think like our Jimmy and his oppos.

As am I.  But the thing is, if you believe the parents are responsible for opening the window (and I’m not saying you do, necessarily) there isn’t a logical explanation for why they would do that and then close them before the police got there either.  So whoever you hold responsible for doing it, holes can be picked in the motives. 

[The General]

As am I.  But the thing is, if you believe the parents are responsible for opening the window (and I’m not saying you do, necessarily) there isn’t a logical explanation for why they would do that and then close them before the police got there either.  So whoever you hold responsible for doing it, holes can be picked in the motives.

Indeed. Apart from supporting the abduction 'blind', if you'll pardon the pun, then the only other explanation would be that they were never open.
No, hang on, we have 3 alternatives - they were never opened, they were opened and used by Jimmy, then closed by Gerry as proof of concept? they were alluded to by Gerry upon realising an incongruence in statements.

[G-Unit]

As am I.  But the thing is, if you believe the parents are responsible for opening the window (and I’m not saying you do, necessarily) there isn’t a logical explanation for why they would do that and then close them before the police got there either.  So whoever you hold responsible for doing it, holes can be picked in the motives.

Something which seems illogical to you may make perfect sense when you learn the reason.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Sinething shich seems illogical to you may make perfect sense when you learn the reason.

I beg your pardon?

[G-Unit]

I beg your pardon?

Corrected.

[Robittybob1]

So its out the patio doors then.Child gate at the top of the steps I believe,gate at the bottom.

Photo 15 for the child gate.

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/5A_PHOTO_REPORT.htm

Would an abductor know the front door can't be closed behind them? Why would they even care?

[The General]

Would an abductor know the front door can't be closed behind them? Why would they even care?

If we assume Jimmy now knows that the patio door is open, he wouldn't care. He would only care how he gets if it goes noisy. The window doesn't even register for our Jimmy in my opinion, if Jimmy exists, obviously.

[Robittybob1]

No, maybe I wasn't clear. Nobody is using the front door (not even Gerry because he couldn't be arsed walking round, hence why he left the patio door open). The door may have been opened by this abductor as a secondary means of escape. Nobody in their right mind would walk out of the front door not knowing what's going on out there, when you have a perfectly reasonable mode of egress through the way you came.

OK I might have it a bit wrong, but I find you are making a couple of assumptions you can't make.

1.  That Madeleine was in her bed asleep.
2.  That you entering in via the patio door wasn't enough to make Madeleine escape by the front door.

"Thank you. So you have a perfect scenario for your abductor: illumination, an open back door, using the most secluded and gloomy access point with a simply opened front door, nobody home. Rush in through the patio door, maybe listen for a few seconds, walk straight to the front door (or not), put it on the snip or open it, take the wee an, straight back down through the way you came, in to the car - whoosh! Gone. Takes literally seconds.
So why the window?"

So you have failed to abduct her if she escaped, so why the window?  Well here is a possibility, you make it look like the window was the entry point,and you close the front door again, and quietly exit via the patio door closing it all behind you.
Making it look like someone else.

[Brietta]

Would an abductor know the front door can't be closed behind them? Why would they even care?

The longer the interval between Madeleine's disappearance being discovered the more space an abductor would have to get clear before the alarm was raised.

No point in leaving the red flag of an open door to advertise their presence unnecessarily.  With any luck Madeleine might not have been discovered missing until the morning giving more time  and distance.
In the event, they did it as successfully as they did everything else within close margins. IMO

[Robittybob1]

The longer the interval between Madeleine's disappearance being discovered the more space an abductor would have to get clear before the alarm was raised.

No point in leaving the red flag of an open door to advertise their presence unnecessarily.  With any luck Madeleine might not have been discovered missing until the morning giving more time  and distance.
In the event, they did it as successfully as they did everything else within close margins. IMO

I get the feeling you haven't had to do burglaries or associated with burglars in you younger days.

[The General]

OK I might have it a bit wrong, but I find you are making a couple of assumptions you can't make.

1.  That Madeleine was in her bed asleep.
2.  That you entering in via the patio door wasn't enough to make Madeleine escape by the front door.

"Thank you. So you have a perfect scenario for your abductor: illumination, an open back door, using the most secluded and gloomy access point with a simply opened front door, nobody home. Rush in through the patio door, maybe listen for a few seconds, walk straight to the front door (or not), put it on the snip or open it, take the wee an, straight back down through the way you came, in to the car - whoosh! Gone. Takes literally seconds.
So why the window?"

So you have failed to abduct her if she escaped, so why the window?  Well here is a possibility, you make it look like the window was the entry point,and you close the front door again, and quietly exit via the patio door closing it all behind you.

I'll address your final point first. If you're an abductor and you miserably fail to abduct anyone, due to the fact that the target left of her own accord, why would you then go on to make it look like she escaped? Why not just walk out the way you came, walk down the road and go for a pint?

As for if Jimmy disturbs her and she's swift enough to escape. You get on your toes and go to ground. Or you lift her kicking and screaming if you have the means of escape.

Finally, if she isn't asleep and is wandering around, and I think that is very likely, then a grown ass man would simply subdue her I'm afraid.