Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.

[Robittybob1]

True, nothing. But opening them from the outside would be odd. Plus Jimmy would surely be trying to mitigate noise. Why raise the shutters when he could silently slide an unlocked patio door to one side?

Try and keep to the topic - woke and wandered.  Whatever happened end up with a woke and wandered outcome.


Well sliding doors I know off rumble when they are slid across.  "Why raise the shutters when he could silently slide an unlocked patio door to one side?"

Not always silent and if Madeleine is exiting the front door and he is 15 meters away at the patio door she has the 15 m head start.

[The General]

Try and keep to the topic - woke and wandered.  Whatever happened end up with a woke and wandered outcome.


Well sliding doors I know off rumble when they are slid across.  "Why raise the shutters when he could silently slide an unlocked patio door to one side?"

Not always silent and if Madeleine is exiting the front door and he is 15 meters away at thew patio door she has the head start.

What's the odds? Just as our crack abduction crew of Jimmy et al enter through the patio door (or window), Maddie is slipping out the front.
And I'll be honest, even a 3 year old would be very reluctant to leave her siblings alone IMO. She would at the very least attempt to wake them. She was apparently very tenacious.

[Robittybob1]

What's the odds? Just as our crack abduction crew of Jimmy et al enter through the patio door (or window), Maddie is slipping out the front.
And I'll be honest, even a 3 year old would be very reluctant to leave her siblings alone IMO. She would at the very least attempt to wake them. She was apparently very tenacious.

Do you know the story?  Matt went there around 9:30 to check on the kids but he didn't see or hear Madeleine.  So where was she?
I tend to think she was hiding somewhere in the apartment.

[The General]

Do you know the story?  Matt went there around 9:30 to check on the kids but he didn't see or hear Madeleine.  So where was she?
I tend to think she was hiding somewhere in the apartment.

But he didn't think her missing at that point, otherwise he would surely have looked, then raised the alarm.

[Robittybob1]

But he didn't think her missing at that point, otherwise he would surely have looked, then raised the alarm.

But why not?  What did he really think?  It isn't easy to figure out but I thought he had the feeling she was asleep in the bed on the far side of the kids room.
There were the two cots and a bed with rumpled up bed clothes beyond that..  He was mistaken IMO.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Something which seems illogical to you may make perfect sense when you learn the reason.

And the same applies to the argument that an abductor would have no reason to open the window.

[Vertigo Swirl]

What's the odds? Just as our crack abduction crew of Jimmy et al enter through the patio door (or window), Maddie is slipping out the front.
And I'll be honest, even a 3 year old would be very reluctant to leave her siblings alone IMO. She would at the very least attempt to wake them. She was apparently very tenacious.

Do you have children?  I take issue with your last statment.  My elder child couldn’t stand the younger child and most certainly would not have any trouble whatsoever leaving him alone, nor would she attempt to wake him unless it was to really piss him off.

[Robittybob1]

What's the odds? Just as our crack abduction crew of Jimmy et al enter through the patio door (or window), Maddie is slipping out the front.
And I'll be honest, even a 3 year old would be very reluctant to leave her siblings alone IMO. She would at the very least attempt to wake them. She was apparently very tenacious.

How could Madeleine nearly 4 handle two crying toddlers just over 2 years of age?  No the best thing she could do was to go get help.

[barrier]

Madeleine is just as capable of opening the front door as any burglar might.  So how does your "burglar" get in?  Through the window or the patio door.  He seems to take nothing.

Well it was said nothing of value was taken.Also you're showing how the conundrum surrounding Jimmy getting in is a puzzle let alone leaving,so to that end,is it easier for Madeleine to wake and wander above abduction,

[barrier]

And the same applies to the argument that an abductor would have no reason to open the window.

Which would be quicker opening a window then a shutter or out a door?

[Vertigo Swirl]

Which would be quicker opening a window then a shutter or out a door?

Both would take a matter of seconds and one method of exit affords you a view of the outside world before commiting yourself to leaving the apartment.

[Eleanor]

Both would take a matter of seconds and one method of exit affords you a view of the outside world before commiting yourself to leaving the apartment.

Exactly.

[barrier]

Both would take a matter of seconds and one method of exit affords you a view of the outside world before commiting yourself to leaving the apartment.

So opening a window and then the shutter would draw more attention than peaking out the door,glad that's sorted.

[Vertigo Swirl]

So opening a window and then the shutter would draw more attention than peaking out the door,glad that's sorted.

Did I say that?

[barrier]

Did I say that?

You meant the more difficult and time consuming of the two?