Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.

[The General]

The opposite of what?

A child may want their comfort item during travel to another country. That opposite.

[Holly Goodhead]

The dreadfully sad  case of little Alesha McPhail shows all of this is possible.
Taken from her bed and removed from her grandparents home.

Yes I think its safe to say almost anything is possible but in this case I believe the perp knew the victim and her family?  The perp had been at the victims house earlier on so not an actual stranger abduction?  I guess the equivalent would be a member of the Tapas crowd responsible for MM's disappearance. 

[Erngath]

A child may want their comfort item during travel to another country. That opposite.

Yes, they might but most parents would keep said item in their hand luggage and make sure their child can have access to it when required.
Not allow said comfort item to be in full custody of the child especially in an airport and definitely not climbing the stairs to an aeroplane.

[The General]

Yes, they might but most parents would keep said item in their hand luggage and make sure their child can have access to it when required.
Not allow said comfort item to be in full custody of the child especially in an airport and definitely not climbing the stairs to an aeroplane.

You keep saying 'most parents'. You mean your perspective.
My son recently flatly refused to travel to New York without his Action Man. I wouldn't mind, but he's 38 for god's sake!
(couldn't resist)

[Vertigo Swirl]

Yes I think its safe to say almost anything is possible but in this case I believe the perp knew the victim and her family?  The perp had been at the victims house earlier on so not an actual stranger abduction?  I guess the equivalent would be a member of the Tapas crowd responsible for MM's disappearance.

I don’t think that’s been proven actually.

[Erngath]

You keep saying 'most parents'. You mean your perspective.
My son recently flatly refused to travel to New York without his Action Man. I wouldn't mind, but he's 38 for god's sake!
(couldn't resist)

That's a wee bit worrying.
In my perspective.

[Holly Goodhead]

I don’t think that’s been proven actually.

What hasn't been proven?

[Holly Goodhead]

The McCanns dismiss woke and wandered because the window & shutter were open, according to Kate.

Also, the back patio door had a child gate at the top of the stairs.

I'll let Kate explain.....


@22.50

https://youtu.be/WLvnfcl-Zkg?t=1370

Thanks.  I thought PJ and SY confirmed shutters were down and no evidence they had been tampered with? 

What were the entry and exit points?  Patio doors and front door to the actual apartment along with 2 gates leading in/out of the grounds: 1 to the road and the other to the alley?

[sadie]

I wasn't aware every post as to be answered,you have an opinion of what happened and describe the environment in your theory which could make it possible,thats it.If and its a big big if an abductor were to be the outcome,the logical way would be a door,why use a window and a shutter, thats two things to be opened when a single perfectly operational door is available which opens into a well hidden recess,the one you surmise was used to gain entry.Just as easily Madeleine could have walked out the same door all on her lonesome.

When you have more or less requested  something as you did, and the person replies very fully, as I did, then I would have thought that it would have been a common courtesy to acknowledge that.


Are you able to accept that all the things I have mentioned as fact, are indeed fact?  I would like to make it clear that I do have an opinion of how an abduction may have quite quickly achieved ... and almost certainly, imo. via the front door .... but I am open to suggestions.


However if there are real reasons why others ideas are non runners, imo, I will voice them.


Is that OK with you?




By the way, the window and shutter being open business, is most likely for other reasons than passing Madeleine thru or for Madeleine to have climbed thru.

I have listed about 7 or 8 reasons several times on forum


And NO Madeleine forensics there anyway.

[G-Unit]

Thanks.  I thought PJ and SY confirmed shutters were down and no evidence they had been tampered with? 

What were the entry and exit points?  Patio doors and front door to the actual apartment along with 2 gates leading in/out of the grounds: 1 to the road and the other to the alley?

There were no gates into the alley. There was a 'garden' gate leading to the garden and the steps up to the balcony. At the top of the steps was a child gate.

[Brietta]

Yes I think its safe to say almost anything is possible but in this case I believe the perp knew the victim and her family?  The perp had been at the victims house earlier on so not an actual stranger abduction?  I guess the equivalent would be a member of the Tapas crowd responsible for MM's disappearance.

Alesha's father admitted selling cannabis to the perpetrator, but not for months after being warned not to ... "The court heard the deals usually took place at a bus shelter across from his own mother’s house in Ardbeg Road, ..." https://www.scotsman.com/news-2-15012/alesha-macphail-s-father-sold-cannabis-to-accused-1-4872046
No evidence was presented that any dealing took place from his mother's house or that the psychopath who killed Alesha knew her at all.
I would not have called him a family friend by any stretch of the imagination.

[Carana]

Thanks.  I thought PJ and SY confirmed shutters were down and no evidence they had been tampered with? 

What were the entry and exit points?  Patio doors and front door to the actual apartment along with 2 gates leading in/out of the grounds: 1 to the road and the other to the alley?

Not sure what you mean. There were 2 gates leading from the balcony (pool-side) to the road. One was a baby gate at the top of the steps, and the other was a normal gate at the end of the property (a bit beyond the bottom of the steps).

There weren't any gates, IIRC, on the parking-lot side.

[Vertigo Swirl]

What hasn't been proven?

That Alesha McPhail’s killer was known to her beforehand or that he had ever been inside her father’s house.

[Holly Goodhead]

There were no gates into the alley. There was a 'garden' gate leading to the garden and the steps up to the balcony. At the top of the steps was a child gare.

Thanks.  I think I get the picture now but would like to see a layout that depicts all of this and haven't been able to find anything that's clear. 

[Holly Goodhead]

Alesha's father admitted selling cannabis to the perpetrator, but not for months after being warned not to ... "The court heard the deals usually took place at a bus shelter across from his own mother’s house in Ardbeg Road, ..." https://www.scotsman.com/news-2-15012/alesha-macphail-s-father-sold-cannabis-to-accused-1-4872046
No evidence was presented that any dealing took place from his mother's house or that the psychopath who killed Alesha knew her at all.
I would not have called him a family friend by any stretch of the imagination.

Thanks.  My impression was that the perp had been at the house for some sort of social, returned later and abducted Alesha, but I can see this is all wrong. 

Alesha was some 2 years older than MM so possible that someone abducted MM similarly ie simply entered and carried her out sleeping.