What to do in the event of a fire in Block 5? Or in apartment 5A?

[Eleanor]

Would depend on what regulations applied at the time.

Of course they had Smoke Alarms.  I had Smoke alarms 15 years ago in a private house, in France.

[jassi]

Of course they had Smoke Alarms.  I had Smoke alarms 15 years ago in a private house, in France.

I didn't say that they didn't have smoke alarms - I mentioned REGULATIONS.

Do YOU know what regulations were in force for holiday properties in Portugal in 2007 ?

[Alice Purjorick]

So I would open the door and give the child the chance if survival... You would let the child die.. Cuz you know better.. What you have not taken into account  is the severity of the fire

How would you know that ?

[Alice Purjorick]

I think in this day and age of health and safety you’d probably have to call 999 and watch the kids burn to death while waiting for the professionals to arrive.

You will be nominated for a Double Rip van Winkle award for that.
The Health And Safety At Work Act came in to being in 1974.

[Mr Gray]

You will be nominated for a Double Rip van Winkle award for that.
The Health And Safety At Work Act came in to being in 1974.

It may have Cone in in 74 but things have changed a lot since then..... In my experience there were no requirements for fire training in my profession until the last 10 years

[Eleanor]

I didn't say that they didn't have smoke alarms - I mentioned REGULATIONS.

Do YOU know what regulations were in force for holiday properties in Portugal in 2007 ?

It was a Commercial Venue.  Smoke Alarms would have been mandatory, probably from the building of, but certainly by 2007.

[kizzy]

More lack of context....
I've posted many times children shouldn't be left... Might help if you read what the thread is, about before  posting

I did and was answering what RB posted about what advice the fire brigade would give.

I assume - this is how it would go

Q.  what is best to do if you leave your toddlers alone in an apartment - lock or leave the door unlocked.

A.  Don't leave them alone - they certainly wouldn't say oh best leave it unlocked

It could quite easily have happened - wonder what the support they would have got if it did.

Would you have been so supportive to them D - if there had of been a fire and they hadn't been accountable for the blame.

[G-Unit]

The legal regime governing local accommodation, Decree-Law no. 128/2014, entered into force in November 2014.
Anyone offering holiday accommodation had to meet minimum standards. They were then inspected and licensed. Whether there were regulations before that I don't know.
https://www.alesclarecimentos.pt/legal/

[Vertigo Swirl]

You will be nominated for a Double Rip van Winkle award for that.
The Health And Safety At Work Act came in to being in 1974.

Interesting.  So have there not been any revisions in health and saftey legislation since then?

[Mr Gray]

I did and was answering what RB posted about what advice the fire brigade would give.

I assume - this is how it would go

Q.  what is best to do if you leave your toddlers alone in an apartment - lock or leave the door unlocked.

A.  Don't leave them alone - they certainly wouldn't say oh best leave it unlocked

It could quite easily have happened - wonder what the support they would have got if it did.

Would you have been so supportive to them D - if there had of been a fire and they hadn't been accountable for the blame.

Based on the evidence I think Maddie was abducted... I don't see that as supporting the McCann's childcare.... It's supporting justice IMO...

[jassi]

The legal regime governing local accommodation, Decree-Law no. 128/2014, entered into force in November 2014.
Anyone offering holiday accommodation had to meet minimum standards. They were then inspected and licensed. Whether there were regulations before that I don't know.
https://www.alesclarecimentos.pt/legal/

Thank you 

[Robittybob1]

Of course they had Smoke Alarms.  I had Smoke alarms 15 years ago in a private house, in France.

I'm sure smoke alarms have been around a lot longer than Madeleine has been missing.  So a smoke alarm turns itself off as well, so it could in some rear situation wake a child.

In my experience a smoke alarm with a flat battery makes a beeping sound particularly at night.  It happened to me once and a felt like an idiot for I was blaming another recently installed electrical equipment.

[Robittybob1]

I did and was answering what RB posted about what advice the fire brigade would give.

I assume - this is how it would go

Q.  what is best to do if you leave your toddlers alone in an apartment - lock or leave the door unlocked.

A.  Don't leave them alone - they certainly wouldn't say oh best leave it unlocked

It could quite easily have happened - wonder what the support they would have got if it did.

Would you have been so supportive to them D - if there had of been a fire and they hadn't been accountable for the blame.

Somewhere it was discussed (by Amaral IIRC)  that it wasn't possible to deadlock the doors from the outside, yet still enabling a person "locked" inside to be able to get out.  But I have yet to see how that was done.  Maybe the patio door access is what was meant.  If you can't get out the front door there is still the back door provided you can get across to there in a burning building.
In fact isn't that the purpose of a deadlock, i.e. to make it more difficult to get out.

[Alice Purjorick]

It may have Cone in in 74 but things have changed a lot since then..... In my experience there were no requirements for fire training in my profession until the last 10 years

Scarcely the most definitive of arguments.
In my trade there has been such a requirement since 1988 , possibly earlier, and fire drills since 1960s

[Mr Gray]

Scarcely the most definitive of arguments.
In my trade there has been such a requirement since 1988 , possibly earlier, and fire drills since 1960s

its not an argument its a fact...a lot has changed in H&S since 74...in 76 we were putting used hypodermics in black bags and leaving them out for the bin man